From lojban-beginners+bncCJ2UzZHuDRCBuLPkBBoEnPlqvQ@googlegroups.com Sun Sep 12 06:56:51 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Oun31-0000b9-Fq; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 06:56:51 -0700 Received: by wyb35 with SMTP id 35sf875703wyb.16 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 06:56:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Rcr5HMkSsK4HCMAnCoF4VY1ts7WEJ3WZC3WxYOI++8Y=; b=5rN+0gFfhW0pCaM8Q/7StjbWsVLe0OPqtEnIphOInLyUWSSPOaK36CcW4KNoUeBY8W ehNws/dglDiLfbmiK16bvxzaZ73Zr+s7BVSWlAWrF0GkggyhTqhzOQOIBwYLzoellTTe JtXa4TjqDzqW+qVepGULggGK9iDQIjzJKh1DI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Wd/99INfgaa9+00MDlbzGCUvJZxM/jLGFXE+zdc0IG7rgdexuYXBYJlhckWw9vHqAL EzqyW0WEK6ZS4DvjBYakACdkb/Efed4kpedGqbQXNZRkhF3tIfbEQ5TO4/M0TwKhdSXv ph5+GueevSmpRpPNvljmNWTdzvhkh2Wuu38OY= Received: by 10.216.144.196 with SMTP id n46mr350999wej.6.1284299777550; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 06:56:17 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.39.10 with SMTP id d10ls3411285wbe.2.p; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 06:56:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.144.207 with SMTP id a15mr160752wbv.15.1284299776488; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 06:56:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.144.207 with SMTP id a15mr160751wbv.15.1284299776458; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 06:56:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f171.google.com (mail-wy0-f171.google.com [74.125.82.171]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id ey20si1877547wbb.2.2010.09.12.06.56.15; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 06:56:15 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.171 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.171; Received: by wyb29 with SMTP id 29so4674120wyb.30 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 06:56:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.208.73 with SMTP id gb9mr1713522wbb.13.1284299775252; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 06:56:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.151.203 with HTTP; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 06:56:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 10:56:15 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] merli From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.171 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 9:44 AM, Remo Dentato wrote: > I have a doubt on "merli" : > > =A0 x_1 (agent) measures/evaluates x_2 [quantity] as x_3 units on scale > x_4 (si'o), with accuracy x_5. > > My bad English is at fault here. > > is it "mi merli re" in the sense of "I measure (something) and I get 2 > as result" > or is it "le karce merli re" in the sense of "the car measures 2 [meters]= " (You can't use "re" by itself as a sumti. You need "li re".) > If it's the former I would expect x_2 to be the measured object and > not a quantity. It is the former, but by "quantity" they mean something like "the length of the car", not the number itself. But I agree with you nonetheless. > Also I don't get x_3 at all! > > If it was: > > =A0x_1 (agent) measures/evaluates the object x_2 and gets as result x_3 > units on scale x_4 (si'o), with accuracy x_5. > > It would be much clearer to me. > > Any suggestion? That's how I use it. Except that the "scale (si'o)" also doesn't make sense to me. I would say: mi merli lo karce li re lo mitre "I measure the car to be 2 meters." They want you to say instead something like: mi merli lo ni lo karce cu clani kei li re lo si'o mitre No idea what to do with the accuracy. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. 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