From lojban-beginners+bncCJ2UzZHuDRCejbTkBBoEziFTJg@googlegroups.com Sun Sep 12 09:59:07 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Oupsy-0000xs-F9; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 09:59:06 -0700 Received: by wyb35 with SMTP id 35sf895198wyb.16 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 09:58:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=g5fV7PUSWmdrU8I6/zQkFajRR0Qa+F+ZNjtZzFUReJ8=; b=sH8sj4/4UdwpXCoR1vpe7yaGh7h07MNV4vFKWfQTaysf2zdNV6JpUIUT4k2As1/CNP Ci8/QMB2uyTbs3FhZhzoh1qQkwYB9WQatmcroTStGGwa7kNQjFaOLvaTmkGN6EebD5PG 80NgCGuh7KXUS+RHwmjg77l688t3UnAjfUs94= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=JGv4MstwH6SJSi/ncUyxugGpE98bvqi57hH/Kiucy+a/I9o1d2gRSvDIdBEPnUPeqk pX2L265pkHLYxsXmz2wHZQ6XnxhGA0rqrn/Wc8hoCBL072vR++TGCLXohnKOXc3tdHk5 y17Qs3SkwVjkCkL46mHwEHvmgGOR5ETj92RIo= Received: by 10.216.144.196 with SMTP id n46mr363722wej.21.1284310686550; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 09:58:06 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.237.165 with SMTP id y37ls4056161weq.1.p; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 09:58:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.73.202 with SMTP id v52mr70694wed.6.1284310685544; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 09:58:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.73.202 with SMTP id v52mr70693wed.6.1284310685532; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 09:58:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id o41si1739195weq.12.2010.09.12.09.58.04; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 09:58:04 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.182 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.182; Received: by mail-wy0-f182.google.com with SMTP id 33so6418784wyb.41 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 09:58:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.195.69 with SMTP id eb5mr1844215wbb.105.1284310684349; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 09:58:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.151.203 with HTTP; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 09:58:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201009121159.05298.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <201009121159.05298.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 13:58:04 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] merli From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.182 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Sunday 12 September 2010 09:56:15 Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: >> That's how I use it. Except that the "scale (si'o)" also doesn't make >> sense to me. I would say: >> >> =A0 mi merli lo karce li re lo mitre >> =A0 "I measure the car to be 2 meters." >> >> They want you to say instead something like: >> >> =A0 mi merli lo ni lo karce cu clani kei li re lo si'o mitre > > "lo si'o mitre" is correct. lo mitre is some object or path or whatever w= hose > length is measured in meters; The archetype of the things measured in meters is the meter itself. > lo si'o mitre is the meter as a unit. To me it's the idea that something is some number of meters long in some direction. "lo si'o mitre", "lo si'o se mitre" and "lo si'o te mitre" are one and the same idea, right? > "mi merli lo karce" is sumti-raising, and in this example, I'd take it to= mean > the width, not the length, which is closer to 4 m of cars I'm familiar wi= th. > I'd say "mi merli lo karce nilcla" to specify without saying so many > syllables. Of course you can always be more precise. You could also say instead that the ve merli is "lo mitre be fi lo nilcla", which are specifically "meters of length". When you say "mi viska lo karce", you can always be more precise and say that what you see is the front side of the car, or the left side, but that doesn't mean that a car cannot be seen. Similarly, you can say that you measure the length of a car, but you can also say that what you measure is the car itself. > As to the accuracy: English has the oddity that an accuracy of 1 millimet= er is > greater than an accuracy of 10 millimeters. I think that accuracy of a > quantity expressed in meters should be expressed in diopters. What would you use for the accuracy of merli? Diopters or the idea of diopters? I think it makes more sense to use the same dimension as in x4 though. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. 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