From lojban-beginners+bncCJ2UzZHuDRDNurTkBBoE7vhYvA@googlegroups.com Sun Sep 12 11:35:28 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OurOd-0004jv-GV; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 11:35:27 -0700 Received: by wwe15 with SMTP id 15sf860456wwe.16 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 11:35:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=BZSd+z4OJ8k6k/gQaPp8z+Zs1Ct6rf3rTKxcznkxLE8=; b=ZW8vYQTGLI1p0m+WD5PEbOR28zIE6evO0QOSctBYntW834zuFCm17PZiXGWRkXwU+6 ECSs35b/nNR0G+q4lcv1hIv3vt8kUm91cKLhVJCGgmiHBzLNwFp5QQ7aOu/11Micann4 DKiDB9ACtVe3xKC9ZqvbIU7cqqkw+9cnbnjZE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=eOBbo5QLG7gMMJjCmV5mbvF/w1uqPgNVJK2umFbTY+pf7sYzUx5x0riFKJOvoaLIWW XHo64deSWppInkbG41eqLm4Rnld81QlXVWOo6rw1eWiiptPPSU48zl/wJpN+Z16YS0AJ bJPGi+zTXAkW3UVUNqTQNClFGlH9DnkTYCLkg= Received: by 10.216.145.97 with SMTP id o75mr370723wej.16.1284316493843; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 11:34:53 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.237.134 with SMTP id y6ls4081809weq.2.p; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 11:34:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.233.219 with SMTP id p69mr87073weq.1.1284316492766; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 11:34:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.233.219 with SMTP id p69mr87072weq.1.1284316492747; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 11:34:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f173.google.com (mail-wy0-f173.google.com [74.125.82.173]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id k12si1768915weq.11.2010.09.12.11.34.51; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 11:34:51 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.173 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.173; Received: by wyb39 with SMTP id 39so6694001wyb.18 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 11:34:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.163.72 with SMTP id z8mr2069313wbx.52.1284316491586; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 11:34:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.151.203 with HTTP; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 11:34:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 15:34:51 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Assigning ko'a From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.173 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > .ua perfect time to clear up another question I've often had. =A0Jorge, c= an > you clear up some terminology for me? =A0What is a: > term Any of the following: sumti tag+sumti FA+sumti tag [KU] FA [KU] NA KU "sumti" includes connected sumti. > phrase I think this is only used in "relative-phrase", which is the construct "GOI term [GEhU]" > clause I think this is only used in "relative-clause", which is the construct "NOI sentence [KUhO]" > If you could give an example of each in a piece of lojban text. =A0i.e. = =A0An > example of the most that can be put into a "term"; or rather, what "start= s", > "continues", and "ends" a term/phrase/clause? There are different kinds of terms. Examples are: "mi", "lo mlatu [ku]", "fi do", "lo nu mi klama lo zarci [ku] ca lo purlamdei [ku] [vau] [kei] [ku]", "ca ku", "na ku", etc. A relative-phrase is "GOI term [GEhU]". A relative-clause is "NOI sentence [KUhO]". > That would be incredibly helpful to me. =A0It took me the longest time to > understand the difference between {pe} and {poi} primarily because I didn= 't > have a clear understanding of the difference between "phrase" and "clause= ". > =A0Are they a sumti? =A0A sumti chain ( join jo'u )= ? Those are examples of terms, yes. They are the kind of thing that can go inside a "relative-phrase". >=A0A bridi? =A0A bridi + multiple tails? etc... Those are sentences. The kind of thing that can go inside a "relative-claus= e". Notice in particular that "mi klama le zarci [ku] [vau]" is a bridi, but "lo du'u mi klama le zarci [ku] [vau] [kei] [ku]" is a sumti. That's what may be confusing you. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.