From lojban-beginners+bncCOjSjrXVGBC97YfkBBoEf1fnIg@googlegroups.com Sat Sep 04 00:36:02 2010 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OrnI6-0005LV-Pk; Sat, 04 Sep 2010 00:36:02 -0700 Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17sf368177fxm.16 for ; Sat, 04 Sep 2010 00:35:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=5/ULGyxTdO29qbJ5Y6LKhxCqLw7w7JYP1f8Pkju0Oxc=; b=fzzV+Wwh6e0qbuZ6gMcijzaLIIDnU2+vb27zwFXzXr0D3YzKHszO4evKHqtmobjwAr W86j0kH0YiL2Yod1zvFP43o01lic8cZTxYLiIktClg6+7adkfsKKLBzJczofTuv5roNJ fKPYdROzkhN5yzc2PApeoOoUwESJmGSqS5p9A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=Q/HfEjHL/+N6bqHUEncZXl2U/ThdqLaRT0M/pFB4Gpf2Zz5VsYvlJZSF9LwSYRlTPn Krh3ZAhirjq8BxRPiul/Ua2di74KGR+i5/uNcjh57n9pvwj4YiOVpY8Mo+tu7aVR5yOU 5bPkgumIR07ctqGPH1xlmjtU9bwtEqD3igqcc= Received: by 10.223.94.130 with SMTP id z2mr59254fam.27.1283585725476; Sat, 04 Sep 2010 00:35:25 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.223.32.142 with SMTP id c14ls594704fad.2.p; Sat, 04 Sep 2010 00:35:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.112.67 with SMTP id v3mr104541fap.11.1283585724441; Sat, 04 Sep 2010 00:35:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.112.67 with SMTP id v3mr104540fap.11.1283585724403; Sat, 04 Sep 2010 00:35:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id l25si710015fam.0.2010.09.04.00.35.23; Sat, 04 Sep 2010 00:35:23 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.54 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.54; Received: by bwz20 with SMTP id 20so2620115bwz.13 for ; Sat, 04 Sep 2010 00:35:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.82.167 with SMTP id b39mr1166904bkl.164.1283585723089; Sat, 04 Sep 2010 00:35:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.98.71 with HTTP; Sat, 4 Sep 2010 00:35:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <7a440812-3095-4b9a-a7f9-24b275fbcda0@x25g2000yqj.googlegroups.com> <16935e60-9616-4448-9222-c0d06879e298@q16g2000prf.googlegroups.com> Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 03:35:23 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: gismu as sumti From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.54 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6ddfed8104307048f6a173f --0016e6ddfed8104307048f6a173f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 kei is the terminator for the abstractors (nu, ka, du'u si'o, etc...). ku is the terminator for gadri (lo, la, le, li). Both can often times be omitted, but sometimes not. So you're right, they don't mean a whole lot. In fact, they don't carry any semantic information at all, they just serve as syntactic closing braces. ( lo( nu( klama lo( zarci )[ku] )kei prenu )ku melbi ) ( the( event-of( going-to a/the-store ) type-of person ) is beautiful ) On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 2:44 AM, la nub wrote: > Ah yes. Thanks for all the responses. That does clear things up quite > nicely. And just in case you were wondering, I am a programmer. > > Two more questions though, what do kei and ku mean? I know nu means a > state or event, and can guess that si'o is an abstractor like nu, but > these two words seem to have no meaning at all. > > Please clarify. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --0016e6ddfed8104307048f6a173f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable kei is the terminator for the abstractors (nu, ka, du'u si'o, etc..= .). =A0ku is the terminator for gadri (lo, la, le, li). =A0Both can often t= imes be omitted, but sometimes not. =A0So you're right, they don't = mean a whole lot. =A0In fact, they don't carry any=A0semantic=A0informa= tion at all, they just serve as syntactic closing braces.

( =A0 lo( =A0 nu( =A0 klama lo( zarci =A0)[ku] =A0 =A0 )kei = =A0 =A0 prenu =A0)ku melbi =A0)

( =A0 the( =A0 =A0= event-of( =A0 =A0going-to =A0a/the-store =A0) =A0type-of person ) is beauti= ful )

On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 2:44 AM, la nub <lagelace@gmail.com> wrote:
Ah yes. Thanks for all the responses. That does clear things up quite
nicely. And just in case you were wondering, I am a programmer.

Two more questions though, what do kei and ku mean? I know nu means a
state or event, and can guess that si'o is an abstractor like nu, but these two words seem to have no meaning at all.

Please clarify.

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