From lojban-beginners+bncCNTPpI2KGxCYz8PkBBoEjcrUMg@googlegroups.com Wed Sep 15 08:35:28 2010 Received: from mail-pz0-f61.google.com ([209.85.210.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Ovu0z-0004Dy-Kh; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 08:35:28 -0700 Received: by pzk7 with SMTP id 7sf26268pzk.16 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 08:35:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=fG7EnVankDFWPxplluinFvPBMJY+UdgFbWhlkaBK4hc=; b=uWXgah4JbaqBhKLoIhtTl9MBcddlm7hbZak4YMFm6UCE5BlcqbfeQBGSWLWRUGzNsF spUWiKupCt1BX3GpOpGYLlP03gi4LLTMG0Q6QN4qKznk2UYI08zzty3o17IrDKCtkzC7 waqa8p6zz19ugxyrQdDQHknD4waw3QXN1DNrY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=4NJNFCy7Kw27jB653ND2sbBglI715w4hHxK5fuDXL53xk/EM0188Hz1bzhhMjuMoOi 03Y25GBnCKcPSa7voXznTsBGjwU5ZBJFDUn6kGxFrDNNO7D+OQhxGdPaR+WznZx6Pnsd Y4SM7+19bCTI0pL2VvXt/aAMXS50L4NJqCrE4= Received: by 10.142.150.8 with SMTP id x8mr23125wfd.5.1284564888358; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 08:34:48 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.117.2 with SMTP id p2ls1300724wfc.1.p; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 08:34:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.111.9 with SMTP id j9mr344328wfc.2.1284564887445; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 08:34:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.111.9 with SMTP id j9mr344327wfc.2.1284564887394; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 08:34:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id s33si1253323wfc.4.2010.09.15.08.34.46; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 08:34:47 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.121 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.121; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=Q1w7DWWvqld16GQoyB+sexBKp78BZiBYDPh1NDxPZyU= c=1 sm=0 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=pxczFJa_XSoaCvoEcjoA:9 a=EBfo53KTFAZJBt_r8Mz1kkMkU_gA:4 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:47576] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id D9/86-00252-697E09C4; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 15:34:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B67343F0 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 11:34:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] pregnant Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 11:34:41 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201009151134.42802.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.121 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Wednesday 15 September 2010 10:25:30 Ian Johnson wrote: > And when the x4 is "gone", we still don't have any particular problem, > formally. {no da} is just another sumti, so it makes perfect sense to say: > mi'o bazu klama ti tu no da > which I might have to make into a signature or something. That's equivalent to "mi'o na bazu klama ti tu" (the equivalency would be more complicated if one of the other sumti also had a quantifier). To put "nothing" in a sumti in such a way as to keep the sentence positive, you have to say "lo nomei" or "zi'o". "zi'o" doesn't put "nothing" in the place, it deletes the place. la filip. klama la actod. le dargu lo nomei lo nomei Pierre -- I believe in Yellow when I'm in Sweden and in Black when I'm in Wales. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.