From lojban-beginners+bncCMHEmaCOBhCGjsrkBBoEanK8Qw@googlegroups.com Thu Sep 16 14:07:51 2010 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OwLgJ-0003ux-QA; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 14:07:51 -0700 Received: by yxs7 with SMTP id 7sf1602413yxs.16 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 14:07:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=h457e/uikBg01L6PwjsBHsCOG50vliJC9fr05XmSUaA=; b=oQ6euztNFQ6SD0+Dr2+aNEpiKqmewW4iSVc7cKvJrE9X86bUq5XsT1l9uyhC/BICkB IFdtHa8joggx3z/x7RqXzTT5FLJOJ2q1g/d/1OEKXL1rEpViL8aeoRLK1KBRoi3gD/TY I9vlJ26AcNC2PO6dQOjBjJjzC7vDr0xQFPysk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from :to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=M8+sR5jjZgAz0wJWMsW0u+978RLxTHUj9MUxN5UxQW5BL1M6xwuuH4j0ijOUrQs9sQ ZOmEUoYxMw/4XtbxxVYWdqRp0/xktrtD6g4R14TU37c+tm0bn/9ob7spwMe2iHf5NkEu kj9ThPixDQSG38byQHeMTSDPgCi/X0s23buLc= Received: by 10.101.107.1 with SMTP id j1mr186716anm.20.1284671238667; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 14:07:18 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.146.2 with SMTP id y2ls475095ann.6.p; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 14:07:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.173.2 with SMTP id v2mr2897622ane.5.1284671237994; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 14:07:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.173.2 with SMTP id v2mr2897620ane.5.1284671237952; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 14:07:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-f44.google.com (mail-yw0-f44.google.com [209.85.213.44]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id i10si2576774ane.4.2010.09.16.14.07.16; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 14:07:16 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.44 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.213.44; Received: by ywk9 with SMTP id 9so753643ywk.31 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 14:07:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.50.12 with SMTP id x12mr3192199ybx.58.1284671236106; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 14:07:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.207.84 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 14:07:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 15:07:16 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban-beginners] Naming: Borrowed versus Native From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com, lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.44 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd6aa54ae6de2049066d440 --000e0cd6aa54ae6de2049066d440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Reposted from a thread on the jbovlaste group: My entire argument regarding Lojban names for things is as follows: > > 1) Borrowing words from other languages (fu'ivla) is a Bad Thing ( > http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/B/Bad-Thing.html) and should only be done > when there is NO OTHER WAY. This means ANY language, including Latin. > > 2) Fluent jbopre are expected to be able to understand any gismu, cmavo, > lujvo, etc. that they see without the need to consult a dictionary. > > 3) Specifically regarding creatures: Nearly every creature with a name has > a *descriptive* common name, and all Linnean names of things are > descriptive, in the Latin language. > > 4) As such, I see no reason why a descriptive cmene should not be > preferable to a borrowed foreign cmene in *every* case. I am hereby inviting discussion, critique, etc. regarding the above from anyone who wishes to. -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --000e0cd6aa54ae6de2049066d440 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Reposted from a thread on the jbovlaste group:

My entire a= rgument regarding Lojban names for things is as follows:

1) Borrowing words from other languages (fu'ivla) is a Bad Thing (<= a href=3D"http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/B/Bad-Thing.html" target=3D"_blan= k">http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/B/Bad-Thing.html) and should only be= done when there is NO OTHER WAY. This means ANY language, including Latin.=

2) Fluent jbopre are expected to be able to understand any gismu, cmavo= , lujvo, etc. that they see without the need to consult a dictionary.
3) Specifically regarding creatures: Nearly every creature with a name ha= s a *descriptive* common name, and all Linnean names of things are descript= ive, in the Latin language.

4) As such, I see no reason why a descriptive cmene should not be prefe= rable to a borrowed foreign cmene in *every* case.

I = am hereby inviting discussion, critique, etc. regarding the above from anyo= ne who wishes to.

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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le= bende pe denpa bu

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