From lojban-beginners+bncCNTPpI2KGxCinfnkBBoEKjN_KA@googlegroups.com Sat Sep 25 12:34:22 2010 Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OzaVn-0002Bd-JH; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 12:34:22 -0700 Received: by pwj6 with SMTP id 6sf1469051pwj.16 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 12:34:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=jco4VS4e8EjAAys1d+cUR/tsAdnybbKdmTEzhwBR4Hk=; b=D8q7sqXZr83lJX0DKdd8B48tZODhtjF1Hh1Pc4lcxYOFNHIsOG1jiOL1zEHVo1bciR rmWOqQfWzVWi9G7XhCHEJ1YyfwBWhNE5WbfGIhgBEf48qlIp7tRVSFs7gBwEvDidkZIq KbASl8GUKnWyI9dzCL2V96ecgvln73191waGY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=m8Tss1xEBue5qAqXaIWMNelDn62rxd+jQC+XhmrIJ+g+G2d7K3VfAnBztLV+RetHPx nkFTlXZnvs2d46xLEp7ClaWxQdVctMUfYl+l86sOBYOMQiOqL0G5Wv6cogZMogsmHGFa Jh/GM3REbIz1rx3jybCyq/8sfIo60cXMFTFvI= Received: by 10.115.39.26 with SMTP id r26mr399645waj.26.1285443234538; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 12:33:54 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.115.67.12 with SMTP id u12ls2865716wak.3.p; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 12:33:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.127.10 with SMTP id z10mr1296782wac.15.1285443233486; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 12:33:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.127.10 with SMTP id z10mr1296781wac.15.1285443233462; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 12:33:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id d25si4553396wam.4.2010.09.25.12.33.53; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 12:33:53 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.120; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=hmUrJoxdBoofHp1EI6q2IJFs4rJWwSRkoXV0c/QttSY= c=1 sm=0 a=ZFSQqqc2KEgA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=tCDgXWCszD1FeSux4XgA:9 a=4MqDiiiFb9CvRkebhvJDPefsgckA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:56257] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 53/88-18858-0AE4E9C4; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 19:33:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44B80137 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 15:33:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] could someone show me how to construct a specific luvjo? Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 15:33:50 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <0f4c21a3-44fd-4e5e-9e93-b594b15e57ad@v6g2000prd.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <0f4c21a3-44fd-4e5e-9e93-b594b15e57ad@v6g2000prd.googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201009251533.50918.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Saturday 25 September 2010 04:15:12 Sage wrote: > I want to make "bartu jdice zgana tadji" into a luvjo. I read the > Reference Grammar but I can't figure it out. Could someone go through > a step-by-step process of making it into a lujvo? 1. Look up the rafsi in the gimste. Besides the up to three listed, every gismu (except four of the brod*) has a rafsi formed by dropping the last letter, and the whole gismu can be used at the end of the word. bartu: bar bart jdice: jdi jdic zgana: zga zgan tadji: tadji 2. Concatenate one rafsi for each gismu. barjdizgatadji, bartjdiczgantadji, etc. 3. If the wordoid begins with a CVV rafsi which would fall off as a cmavo, insert "r", "n", or "l" after it. Not applicable to this lujvo. 4. If a rafsi boundary is immediately preceded by a long rafsi, or is within a consonant cluster that violates phonotactics, insert "y". barjdizgatadji, bartyjdicyzganytadji, etc. 5. If you can remove the first two letters and have a valid lujvo, insert "y" between two rafsi to prevent this. Not applicable to this lujvo. By the way, what is "barjdizgatadji" supposed to mean? Pierre -- The Black Garden on the Mountain is not on the Black Mountain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.