From lojban-beginners+bncCNTPpI2KGxDrs4zlBBoEdjlOLg@googlegroups.com Wed Sep 29 03:50:52 2010 Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P0uFJ-0007fQ-G8; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 03:50:51 -0700 Received: by pwj6 with SMTP id 6sf315044pwj.16 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 03:50:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=pMOSO+EomBgCQk9kekWB8K3sjAsNmiS9j6k0Cn5o13I=; b=0/1E4qwYVaIVOMPcNyESffgAyWv4/d3PSo/9hIxMWvZfOj6SYLyJ/Gr/qProwRPsev xXK5Wih/kJ/zhTKiNoqVbFG9ITkutmoKAPppfGc1mpo0IaRr65+Kafj4kL/dfmNZq8JH N24a+phI3i+77pS7xFb1xkvU1QDDPyVWpk3Ok= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; b=eaCq64yDVSwMm/C8ahLQc0iNScJ1f/MpIOclQgcjATvxXj5XCoqcYVYH5m0aKGg0t8 yGgjbPCkYEZw26Uw98xclvJnChbtS8t5DOAlF98J9x4lFgwS0HAvwbiN77CNOis9slQG xEZKrq3MycDcF0z+ulLEBx/wDRCaDLMnwa2wk= Received: by 10.142.3.26 with SMTP id 26mr116209wfc.26.1285757419838; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 03:50:19 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.115.67.12 with SMTP id u12ls489851wak.3.p; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 03:50:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.183.11 with SMTP id g11mr882849waf.4.1285757419037; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 03:50:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.183.11 with SMTP id g11mr882848waf.4.1285757419000; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 03:50:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id d25si10188348wam.4.2010.09.29.03.50.18; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 03:50:18 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.123; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=sPYQOJmam8qjEXwwiPGKZXTVgm+AfnVsk2mdbnz8xrY= c=1 sm=0 a=Cf9z5xh56EUA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=WcWGAovY9VT_NrKPFPIA:9 a=ghR2g7l_O_8UPCGfOc_68v_RSCkA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:59032] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 93/79-09966-AE913AC4; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 10:50:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CE41E647 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 06:50:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] How long should a word be marked with "za'e"? Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 06:50:13 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201009290650.15830.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Wednesday 29 September 2010 05:22:17 Stela Selckiku wrote: > How long should a word be marked with "za'e"? Does it mean that a > word is being used for the very first time, or should it be used as > long as a word is likely to be unfamiliar or isn't yet found in > dictionaries? > > I'm thinking particularly of a situation that I often find myself in: > I want to use a word that I already thought of a long time ago, but I > only used it a few times before, and no one has particularly noticed > it, or at least no one uses it except me. Should I mark those words > with "za'e" when I bring them out again? I don't use it often if at all, but I think it warrants use if a word is us= ed=20 in a different sense than the normal meaning (common in mathematics,=20 where "ring" and "group" have meanings completely different from the normal= ),=20 or if it's a lujvo whose meaning is unlikely to be figured out. Btw, I don't think that the usual words "djine" and "girzu" and "foldi" sho= uld=20 be used for the mathematical meanings. They are types of girzu (the ring,= =20 IIRR, is dilcygri), but just plain "girzu" is not right. "Continuous",=20 though, is close enough to the normal meaning. Pierre --=20 When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates. J=E1 n=E3o percebe nada, j=E1 n=E3o percebe nada. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.