From lojban-beginners+bncCMHEmaCOBhD0qZHkBBoEcIyuxw@googlegroups.com Sun Sep 05 19:42:32 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OsRfA-000511-CX; Sun, 05 Sep 2010 19:42:32 -0700 Received: by wyb35 with SMTP id 35sf968240wyb.16 for ; Sun, 05 Sep 2010 19:42:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=kCNOhp5d/23WsGbOjQo5Of1wt5FFXUpPWDtfoxEYVnw=; b=vj2doz3cjU4Cgiia44xPUoLBHeQVC0/ufO2ZIh/MWhcGJcwtBDH58cSo735UoMJeFf 1y2OL6GIeLOVtLwed5DCM69Rgyrze9py91B8XPn9fStu5gCcGN2QrH/Bo6JbU809dAAF P2au3GvYq3UCY835ccP9oFe/VkSDXNkG09j2M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=XeIRfGIGuLLmaGTArBTW2FPHvZhRsjcx9rqOjZ411p12AOt39lgJN8U5tTvCLmt4Db nVFJUqdWNHRzYQCQ62N2Fcw8evwq68dehZvlEXCqq8fpxBj9cZW1DVXTdgqC+nvlBotX d4oDLdge4Rzu4SToMhDxAlqUfiWJG6tcvnV3M= Received: by 10.216.145.130 with SMTP id p2mr568214wej.7.1283740916957; Sun, 05 Sep 2010 19:41:56 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.237.165 with SMTP id y37ls1496791weq.1.p; Sun, 05 Sep 2010 19:41:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.74.5 with SMTP id w5mr343864wed.5.1283740915577; Sun, 05 Sep 2010 19:41:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.74.5 with SMTP id w5mr343863wed.5.1283740915552; Sun, 05 Sep 2010 19:41:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f170.google.com (mail-wy0-f170.google.com [74.125.82.170]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id m11si1635227wej.7.2010.09.05.19.41.54; Sun, 05 Sep 2010 19:41:54 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.170 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.170; Received: by mail-wy0-f170.google.com with SMTP id 19so5077412wyf.15 for ; Sun, 05 Sep 2010 19:41:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.54.9 with SMTP id h9mr2364568wec.34.1283740914323; Sun, 05 Sep 2010 19:41:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.46.4 with HTTP; Sun, 5 Sep 2010 19:41:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20100906020707.GA36971@alice.local> References: <20100906020707.GA36971@alice.local> Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 20:41:54 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Pure-Lojban Dictionary definitions From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com, lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.170 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016367f96962e92a6048f8e3979 --0016367f96962e92a6048f8e3979 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 8:07 PM, Alan Post wrote: > I've been exploring the Pure-Lojban dictionary. I'm not able to use > jbofihe to parse the definitions in this dictionary, I presume > because of the use of x1, x2, ... xN. Here is the Pure-Lojban definition > of {dunda}: > > > http://www.lojban.org/cgi-bin/dict.pl?Form=dict.pl1&Query=dunda&Strategy=*&Database=jbo-%3Ejbo&submit=Submit+query > > Will someone help me read the definition: > > {x1 noi ponse x2 cu gasnu lo nu x3 co'a ponse x2} > Usually, IIRC, "xN" is translated into Lojban as {ko'V}, so {ko'a noi ponse ko'e cu gasnu lo nu ko'i co'a ponse ko'e} > > I'm exploring ways in which I can extend {valsi porsi} (Craig's > Lists) in {lo do ckiku ma zvati} ("Where are your Keys?") to include > not only the gismu, but the places (predicate arguments) for each gismu > as well. > > I was hoping the Pure-Lojban dictionary would provide a hint as to > how I might talk about these places, so I was surprised to see what > appear to be ungrammatical definitions. > > Can someone share a) an understanding of how the definition of {dunda} > might be translated into something jbofihe can parse b) help me > describe the "beg, borrow, steal" list to include predicate > arguments as well as the predicate forms themselves? (this might be > easier to do with the {skari} list: > > http://lodockikumazvati.org/valsi_porsi/gismu/skari/ > > Thank you! > > -Alan > -- > ko djuno fi le do sevzi > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 8:07 PM, Alan Post <alanpost@sun= flowerriver.org> wrote:
I've been exploring the Pure-Lojban dictionary. =A0I'm not able to = use
jbofihe to parse the definitions in this dictionary, I presume
because of the use of x1, x2, ... xN. =A0Here is the Pure-Lojban definition=
of {dunda}:

=A0http://www.lojban.org/cgi-bin/dict.pl?Form=3Ddict.= pl1&Query=3Ddunda&Strategy=3D*&Database=3Djbo-%3Ejbo&submit= =3DSubmit+query

Will someone help me read the definition:

=A0{x1 noi ponse x2 cu gasnu lo nu x3 co'a ponse x2}
<= div>
Usually, IIRC, "xN" is translated into Lojban as {ko'= V}, so {ko'a noi ponse ko'e cu gasnu lo nu ko'i co'a ponse = ko'e}

I'm exploring ways in which I can extend {valsi porsi} (Craig's
Lists) in {lo do ckiku ma zvati} ("Where are your Keys?") to incl= ude
not only the gismu, but the places (predicate arguments) for each gismu
as well.

I was hoping the Pure-Lojban dictionary would provide a hint as to
how I might talk about these places, =A0so I was surprised to see what
appear to be ungrammatical definitions.

Can someone share a) an understanding of how the definition of {dunda}
might be translated into something jbofihe can parse b) help me
describe the "beg, borrow, steal" list to include predicate
arguments as well as the predicate forms themselves? =A0(this might be
easier to do with the {skari} list:

=A0http://lodockikumazvati.org/valsi_porsi/gismu/skari/

Thank you!

-Alan
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ko djuno fi le do sevzi

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