From lojban-beginners+bncCNCCoMTMDhD5s5bkBBoEsQEvxw@googlegroups.com Mon Sep 06 18:49:16 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OsnJ9-0002zr-On; Mon, 06 Sep 2010 18:49:16 -0700 Received: by wyb35 with SMTP id 35sf1183975wyb.16 for ; Mon, 06 Sep 2010 18:49:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:mime-version:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=M5wDYaBsWWWaNGjq60hskEwtboY+pLDiFplZZgrUB3U=; b=2pU5uQDRPG56YnK729YTSDRQYXqG54DXzNmPQwhiGZKy7e/b36214inJ7rY9HjpF3B ssZLsEvviwl4Ev1qzDMXMSzXTCCYAsDcBeViJAw5Bc1tPo6ZdSFWXPVU0csQtcgSj6mY YyTg5NcgAB/opXjRF/PeB3VLJ+DGRkMM5EXho= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=K1BEikfSOSpec9H73UA0TGVT7VIs9gigjSejxD6OqeuRGq8j1BDTdaxVp2LzT0MHnk 0zg1bRM+5ZnjEAj6k2hIW+D3MesSS8AbMP01cJetY6MjFVDWTp9zXCbDCS9qadmtLFPn JwO89jJ4b8nRkPiJ0mMMMao7+wPDBh82zuiWE= Received: by 10.216.145.132 with SMTP id p4mr688665wej.20.1283824121080; Mon, 06 Sep 2010 18:48:41 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.242.202 with SMTP id i52ls1921376wer.0.p; Mon, 06 Sep 2010 18:48:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.90.138 with SMTP id e10mr184587wef.4.1283824119657; Mon, 06 Sep 2010 18:48:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.90.138 with SMTP id e10mr184586wef.4.1283824119645; Mon, 06 Sep 2010 18:48:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f180.google.com (mail-wy0-f180.google.com [74.125.82.180]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id o41si2054148weq.4.2010.09.06.18.48.38; Mon, 06 Sep 2010 18:48:38 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of selckiku@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.180 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.180; Received: by wyb40 with SMTP id 40so6674806wyb.11 for ; Mon, 06 Sep 2010 18:48:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.138.68 with SMTP id z4mr782587wbt.192.1283824118320; Mon, 06 Sep 2010 18:48:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.139.71 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Sep 2010 18:48:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201009042054.50156.jezuch@interia.pl> References: <201009042054.50156.jezuch@interia.pl> From: Stela Selckiku Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 21:48:07 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] ko curmi le nu mi ninpengau do mi To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: selckiku@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of selckiku@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.180 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=selckiku@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 2010/9/4 Krzysztof Sobolewski : > zo'o ko xamgu lo cnino jbopre > > (Is there a better word that I could use instead of "xamgu" here?) I think "xamgu" works there, but you could also try "xendo" maybe? (I love the word "xendo".) > mi'e la kcyctof. sobolefskis. no'u la iezux. fi'i .iezux. > What does actually "cilre" mean? > > The official definition is: > x1 learns x2 (du'u) about subject x3 from source x4 (obj./event) by method x5 (event/process) I'll give you my opinion of what it means. cilre: Someone who learns something. They start off not knowing what they're going to learn, and then after experiencing the xelcilre they know it. selcilre: A fact that is learned. Each time you cilre you know one more fact than you did before. The selcilre is a proposition about the world, an identification of one or more things and a relationship they have to each other and/or the world. tercilre: A subject that the selcilre is related to. After the xelcilre the cilre knows a new fact involving the tercilre that they didn't know before. velcilre: A source of knowledge. Someone or something that contains or represents the selcilre. The selcilre is somehow known or contained or represented by the velcilre, such that you can do something with the velcilre that will allow you to find out the selcilre. xelcilre: A way of finding something out. This is what the cilre does with the velcilre such that they come to know the selcilre. If it's a person who knows the fact, the xelcilre might be asking them. If it's a book that contains the fact, the xelcilre might be reading it. If the fact is implicit in an object, the xelcilre might be to examine the object. > mi cilre fi la lojban. > > Is it OK, or should I rather say: That's OK. It says that you learned one or more facts, and that those facts are related to Lojban. It doesn't say what the facts are, where you learned them from, or how you learned them. > mi tadni la lojban. This is also OK. It says that you studied Lojban, that you paid attention to Lojban, that you investigated it and tried to find out more about it. (It doesn't imply that you necessarily successfully found anything out about Lojban, but if you didn't then you didn't tadni very well!) > Or am I too picky? ;) No worries! This is like the world headquarters of pickiness. That's an even more widespread characteristic among Lojbanists than left-handedness or typing on a Dvorak keyboard. Welcome! mi'e la stela selckiku mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.