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The following is my proposal for a Lojban orthography = using Katakana. The example is the {le fasnu} example used to show the vari= ous Lojban orthographies at http://arj.nvg.org/lojban/orthography.html

(Note, you need to have Japanese fonts installed to see it all correctl= y. The specific font name is "SimSun".)

Proposal for Katakana orthography

In keeping with the practice in nihongo of having no spaces, all {denpabu} are required. This also means one is required immediately prior to a selbri.

With a few exceptions, katakana are used as normal, so for example kakne is =E3=82=AB=E3= =82=AF=E3=83=8D.

All 'u' kana are pronounced without the 'u'= ; sound, unless followed by =EF=BD=B3, as in nu: =E3= =83=8C=E3=82=A6.

Any 'CuV' is pronounced as 'CV', as in den= pa: = =E3=83=87=E3=83=B3=E3=83=91 or =E3=83=85=E3=82=A8=E3=83=B3=E3=83=97=E3=82=A2= .

=EF=BD=BC <= /span>is pronounced {cy.}, and followed by a vowel or 'y' kana, as in cusku: =E3= =82=B7=E3=82=A6=E3=82=B9=E3=82=AF=E3=82=A6 or =E3=82=B7=E3=83=A5=E3=82=B9=E3=82=AF=E3=82=A6= .
To write {si}, use =E3=82=B9=E3=82=A4.

=E3=82=B8 <= /span>is pronounced {jy.} and follows the same rules as =E3=82=B7, as in djica: =E3=83=85=E3=82=B8=E3=82=A4=E3=82=B7=E3=83=A3.
To write {zi}, use =E3=82=BA=E3=82=A4.

=E3=83=95 <= /span>is {fy.}, and follows the same rules as =E3=82=B7, as in frili: =E3=83=95=E3=83=AA=E3=83=AA=E2=80=B3.
To write {.y'u}, use =E3=83=8F=E3=82=A6.=

=E3=83=AF <= /span>is pronounced {vy.}, and followed by a vowel, as in vu: =E3=83=AF=E3=82=A6<= /font>.

The 'r' kana with =E2=80=9C is pronounced 'l&#= 39;, as in lo: =E3=83=A9=E2=80=B3.

The 'k' kana with =C2=BA is pronounced {xy.} as in= xrula: =E3=82=AF=C2=BA=E3=83=AB=E3=82=A6=E3=83=A9=E2=80=B3=E3=82=A2.

=E3=83=B2is pronounced {.y.}

An example:

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I appreciate any and all critiques and suggestions regarding this proposal.=
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