From lojban-beginners+bncCNTPpI2KGxCcgprkBBoEwiKAwg@googlegroups.com Tue Sep 07 11:15:25 2010 Received: from mail-pv0-f189.google.com ([74.125.83.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Ot2hW-0005zp-2D; Tue, 07 Sep 2010 11:15:25 -0700 Received: by pvc7 with SMTP id 7sf509718pvc.16 for ; Tue, 07 Sep 2010 11:15:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=xQneFVCGLBrfqLlaOpygjsWIgsr9UxiqimM8ykI3yq8=; b=zMRb1ZZRBaWjtHjmIjMkS0N6Nz05uRNrPCFqqu3BRZZwJvjuhWNltJrA42kson0Fjp oQKyvhObKJh33f10RxHQs7lXqoPDFp+5LMaBsYxt5yNYtuReKwd7HKcpTSIdxZEgoOBf zwWbmkZVKcdXWZNLthfGGhSSPdJWcrOGmu/DM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; b=IK8GhGP0X3Yb0XorvPD4tGBQ4py/89ttyk8YoiWgDzGfR8bytJVcnG3yEbhqEY/tTO aQHj4Gs+CSaOz8204BeLK/l1V/gi58Dw0iOLkjGaCyI8Mot3CwGCgA0ctfqF4fODZOTj fP5e8Wl5s17eLzLkB0fgo9xeW25Z1K2S/wAO0= Received: by 10.115.36.14 with SMTP id o14mr369465waj.12.1283883292160; Tue, 07 Sep 2010 11:14:52 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.115.85.40 with SMTP id n40ls6102509wal.0.p; Tue, 07 Sep 2010 11:14:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.133.2 with SMTP id g2mr1695639wad.19.1283883291299; Tue, 07 Sep 2010 11:14:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.133.2 with SMTP id g2mr1695637wad.19.1283883290946; Tue, 07 Sep 2010 11:14:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id j18si11364383wan.1.2010.09.07.11.14.50; Tue, 07 Sep 2010 11:14:50 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.120; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=/KCc9ZTup0XSKI57k8aYt/h16g79E72UY6I+xjVNono= c=1 sm=0 a=lRCiSURanbsA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:17 a=wUNQ5BqRyBoM56_mPvgA:9 a=N_qOdSKQp3HwT0Z72UZVzkC5gJEA:4 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 71.71.198.100 Received: from [71.71.198.100] ([71.71.198.100:54505] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id D6/D9-09032-A11868C4; Tue, 07 Sep 2010 18:14:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5503A1AD4 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 14:14:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] ko curmi le nu mi ninpengau do mi Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 14:14:44 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <201009042054.50156.jezuch@interia.pl> <201009062036.09967.jezuch@interia.pl> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201009071414.45732.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Tuesday 07 September 2010 10:59:39 Alex Rozenshteyn wrote: > Also, question: I grew up speaking Russian, although I don't know the > grammar well, but I was under the impression that "cases" referred to the= 6 > declensions of a noun, while "aspects" refer to something similar to what > lojban calls event contours. You are correct. Cases (=D0=BF=D0=B0=D0=B4=D0=B5=D0=B6=D0=B8) are the forms= of a noun which is declined=20 (tersu'i vlacne tairmupli): =D1=81=D1=82=D0=BE=D0=BB, =D1=81=D1=82=D0=BE=D0= =BB=D0=B0, =D1=81=D1=82=D0=BE=D0=BB=D1=83, =D1=81=D1=82=D0=BE=D0=BB=D0=BE= =D0=BC, =D1=81=D1=82=D0=BE=D0=BB=D0=B5. Aspects=20 (=D0=B2=D0=B8=D0=B4=D1=8B), of which there are only two in Russian, are imp= erfective (ca'o) and=20 perfective (co'i), and Russian has pairs of verbs with no real consistency = on=20 how to form one from the other. Declensions (vlacnemo'a) are different sets= =20 of case endings; =D1=81=D1=82=D0=B5=D0=BD=D0=B0 belongs to the first and = =D1=81=D1=82=D0=BE=D0=BB to the second, if=20 they're numbered like Latin or Greek. Pierre --=20 La sal en el mar es m=C3=A1s que en la sangre. Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. 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