From lojban-beginners+bncCKH6vKekGBCflJ3kBBoEwkQ-BQ@googlegroups.com Wed Sep 08 01:33:01 2010 Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OtG5R-0005sN-Df; Wed, 08 Sep 2010 01:33:01 -0700 Received: by mail-gx0-f189.google.com with SMTP id 9sf10219214gxk.16 for ; Wed, 08 Sep 2010 01:32:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received :received:date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=dJ5p2xmY0T7hUnBcyT5B9aXtC36jKMrnSCPI4XWswuo=; b=KouvTnU664OREKcjeSqwi0jTbKeFCUfp0WrMazd62eMPbGdMpQ4rkAc5AHzJ/+vuCW vGC9hcxontz3amx4VW867XA2wLLKUtuUuflX8dXI6u5+PnVprauq81uHeqOUftCediOQ ojnbFuBfwA/hERrBfKtEDakUvRIryvKJTjkRo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from :to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=ODse2vR94Ec7Tt4m6dJ/xfREijMcZbq9/mB8mW6g7WC/Fh+KWwzgMAaAK8d6vHldcc oGbf1lGouvi598IrIvQg8cBL04PbGvMEmg2F0PuTfR1gQpCjFt6yglJeVCT3q2EhAhsf KXuRvOYcbiv2kib4LRnv44DNy49I5Idp7Alls= Received: by 10.90.14.22 with SMTP id 22mr1061060agn.36.1283934751100; Wed, 08 Sep 2010 01:32:31 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.27.13 with SMTP id a13ls2249114yba.6.p; Wed, 08 Sep 2010 01:32:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.53.13 with SMTP id b13mr1999771yba.17.1283934750599; Wed, 08 Sep 2010 01:32:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.73.144 with SMTP id v16mr383050wed.12.1283923382127; Tue, 07 Sep 2010 22:23:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.73.144 with SMTP id v16mr383049wed.12.1283923382093; Tue, 07 Sep 2010 22:23:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f51.google.com (mail-ww0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id o41si2556032weq.4.2010.09.07.22.23.01; Tue, 07 Sep 2010 22:23:01 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of fagricipni@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.51 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.51; Received: by mail-ww0-f51.google.com with SMTP id 18so4230092wwi.32 for ; Tue, 07 Sep 2010 22:23:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.134.194 with SMTP id k2mr361607wbt.86.1283923380911; Tue, 07 Sep 2010 22:23:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.63.131 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 22:23:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 01:23:00 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban-beginners] Best Word for Humanoid? From: "H. Felton" To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: fagricipni@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of fagricipni@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.51 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=fagricipni@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 What is the best word for "humanoid"? ; it is the only concept that I know of where the gendered words are gismu but the non-gendered word is not. I've seen "jbire'a" and "remsmi" proposed. I don't see the difference in meaning between "jibni" and "simsa". I do have one minor issue with "remsmi": if I were to create a tanru for from "remna" and "simsa" for what I want to express I would use "simsa remna" because I want the meaning "x1 is a humanoid; (adjective:) x1 is humanoid." in analogy to "remna"'s "x1 is a human/human being/man (non-specific gender-free sense); (adjective:) x1 is human". I don't want to use a lujvo derived from the tanru "nanmu ja ninmu" or "ninmu ja nanmu" because "verba" includes the possibility of neuter children (though it would take a science-fictional context to have a neuter *person*); whereas a lujvo derived from; eg, "nixli ja nanla", would not. I originally sent this message to lojban-beginners@lojban.org , but I now think that that address no longer exists. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.