From lojban-beginners+bncCOib25n_BhD1853kBBoEtcAv_w@googlegroups.com Wed Sep 08 04:57:41 2010 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OtJH3-0004wM-3Z; Wed, 08 Sep 2010 04:57:40 -0700 Received: by qwi4 with SMTP id 4sf2587127qwi.16 for ; Wed, 08 Sep 2010 04:57:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=OMnYb8kxYltSHNPJoJpn2M5cxieL03/BtoNFSPQaI8w=; b=sYXSL8G5K3a9SAliwu8NakdUayOLlb5gu/kZWj9XiknXxVZV1mFG1MaO3pEQN3NX0S ZzldY+4cWAy+wcQCa0BZEfig2lQ3S+Dn0sOv3/FZagZcmo/kr2jTvjNbW+AY5Kgq8Tfi YmDbR+suPt0dmlPCxdiUX6QiHKKu45bUCP/Qw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=0vkaCa36EjSiQCmJuvJqnavxHnrFxwFdCD2LfduDLET6tqlD9lbe/9oXoohuXm+YMF rXyo5Fikqgj9DE58e2438pnP35P1bScXU8/9vEVfkKmFuwmfIvaFidgl5eYPtxncmkRX Ka2kX4Bl6P15j1PC/nz0j7zB6r67WCNxYr7ts= Received: by 10.229.34.72 with SMTP id k8mr297060qcd.2.1283946997828; Wed, 08 Sep 2010 04:56:37 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.207.1 with SMTP id fw1ls2229702qcb.1.p; Wed, 08 Sep 2010 04:56:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.223.130 with SMTP id ik2mr551087qcb.21.1283946996792; Wed, 08 Sep 2010 04:56:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.223.130 with SMTP id ik2mr551086qcb.21.1283946996739; Wed, 08 Sep 2010 04:56:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qw0-f53.google.com (mail-qw0-f53.google.com [209.85.216.53]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id c41si4371259qcs.4.2010.09.08.04.56.35; Wed, 08 Sep 2010 04:56:35 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.53 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.53; Received: by mail-qw0-f53.google.com with SMTP id 5so5643091qwe.26 for ; Wed, 08 Sep 2010 04:56:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.106.133 with SMTP id x5mr21059qao.146.1283946994574; Wed, 08 Sep 2010 04:56:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.63.69 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 04:56:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 07:56:34 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Best Word for Humanoid? From: Alex Rozenshteyn To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.53 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000feaf1db9385a70b048fbe34ea --000feaf1db9385a70b048fbe34ea Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 About the tanru {remna simsa} vs {simsa remna}, the former expresses a person type-of similarity, e.g. similarity to a person, while the latter expresses a similar type-of person, e.g. someone who shares all your interests. The former express the concept of "humanoid" better than the latter, IMO. On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 12:14 AM, H. Felton wrote: > What is the best word for "humanoid"? ; it is the only concept that > I know of where the gendered words are gismu but the non-gendered > word is not. I've seen "jbire'a" and "remsmi" proposed. I don't > see the difference in meaning between "jibni" and "simsa". I do > have one minor issue with "remsmi": if I were to create a tanru for > from "remna" and "simsa" for what I want to express I would use > "simsa remna" because I want the meaning "x1 is a humanoid; > (adjective:) x1 is humanoid." in analogy to "remna"'s "x1 is a > human/human being/man (non-specific gender-free sense); > (adjective:) x1 is human". I don't want to use a lujvo derived > from the tanru "nanmu ja ninmu" or "ninmu ja nanmu" because "verba" > includes the possibility of neuter children (though it would take a > science-fictional context to have a neuter *person*; whereas a > lujvo derived from; eg, "nixli ja nanla", would not. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- Alex R -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --000feaf1db9385a70b048fbe34ea Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable About the tanru {remna simsa} vs {simsa remna}, the former expresses a pers= on type-of similarity, e.g. similarity to a person, while the latter expres= ses a similar type-of person, e.g. someone who shares all your interests.= =A0 The former express the concept of "humanoid" better than the = latter, IMO.

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 12:14 AM, H. Felton <= span dir=3D"ltr"><fagricipni@gma= il.com> wrote:
What is the best word for "humanoid"? ; it is the only concept th= at
I know of where the gendered words are gismu but the non-gendered
word is not. =A0I've seen "jbire'a" and "remsmi"= ; proposed. =A0I don't
see the difference in meaning between "jibni" and "simsa&quo= t;. =A0I do
have one minor issue with "remsmi": if I were to create a tanru f= or
from "remna" and "simsa" for what I want to express I w= ould use
"simsa remna" because I want the meaning "x1 is a humanoid;<= br> (adjective:) x1 is humanoid." in analogy to "remna"'s &q= uot;x1 is a
human/human being/man (non-specific gender-free sense);
(adjective:) x1 is human". =A0I don't want to use a lujvo derived<= br> from the tanru "nanmu ja ninmu" or "ninmu ja nanmu" bec= ause "verba"
includes the possibility of neuter children (though it would take a
science-fictional context to have a neuter *person*; whereas a
lujvo derived from; eg, "nixli ja nanla", would not.

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