From lojban-beginners+bncCJrK5PGGEBDZ2qTkBBoECx47ZQ@googlegroups.com Thu Sep 09 11:54:50 2010 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OtmGk-0004id-Hm; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 11:54:49 -0700 Received: by yxs7 with SMTP id 7sf1529757yxs.16 for ; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 11:54:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received:received-spf:received:received:received:from :organization:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id :x-interia-antivirus:x-emid:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=0pTp2I4Hcpmzkp+bBk62U9TZgTkRjExo1ekLkNGhIU4=; b=znobfyd8nhkiZAoJ4hZgNdvIBa0+XXeXPtRwLCpR0iqfdLKDMJv6WHHROBoX6J+Npm KuIzikn7ecQw+wI1heHCZcOz1nHkpnlwZoetA8P27igGkxJfqQma0iJYnoGOJbejGS9h mw+Gvk2lSa5MQcgjl0kQuytRxKja+chidGAqg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:from:organization:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:x-interia-antivirus:x-emid :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; b=g7fghx66A0jd7uOsufV1HUSTCX0ZH0LvIWNaTBQPmF1pZdD8OhewzRrr3yLLUxToRk SlkNiWTinD9JF6NUbK2MRs+fFPEtkNl4Y9YxwEcD345lOcTqbFYKsCRU1wa24IrFMu94 bclqvN8NQp+5XwAzl9jXB8vLijj91Yznbknzs= Received: by 10.91.209.16 with SMTP id l16mr1438494agq.31.1284058457535; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 11:54:17 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.151.130.13 with SMTP id h13ls2964513ybn.2.p; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 11:54:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.51.4 with SMTP id y4mr496684yby.37.1284058456895; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 11:54:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.37.132 with SMTP id y4mr552813eea.3.1284049790685; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 09:29:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.37.132 with SMTP id y4mr552812eea.3.1284049790609; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 09:29:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpo.poczta.interia.pl (smtpo.poczta.interia.pl [217.74.65.205]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id r57si1557379eeh.1.2010.09.09.09.29.50; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 09:29:50 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jezuch@interia.pl designates 217.74.65.205 as permitted sender) client-ip=217.74.65.205; Received: by smtpo.poczta.interia.pl (INTERIA.PL, from userid 502) id 25B20102CCDA; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 18:29:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from zx-spectrum-1 (c204.idd156.nettete.pl [77.79.204.156]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by poczta.interia.pl (INTERIA.PL) with ESMTPSA for ; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 18:29:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jezuch by zx-spectrum-1 with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Otk7I-0005JC-LH for lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 18:36:53 +0200 From: Krzysztof Sobolewski Organization: Sobole To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] ko curmi le nu mi ninpengau do mi Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 18:36:51 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (Linux/2.6.33.7; KDE/4.4.5; x86_64; ; ) References: <201009042054.50156.jezuch@interia.pl> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1558074.6QV0PJbACz"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201009091836.52588.jezuch@interia.pl> X-Interia-Antivirus: OK X-EMID: ca248acc X-Original-Sender: jezuch@interia.pl X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jezuch@interia.pl designates 217.74.65.205 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jezuch@interia.pl Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , --nextPart1558074.6QV0PJbACz Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dnia wtorek, 7 wrze=B6nia 2010 o 03:48:07 Stela Selckiku napisa=B3(a): > 2010/9/4 Krzysztof Sobolewski : > > zo'o ko xamgu lo cnino jbopre > > > > (Is there a better word that I could use instead of "xamgu" here?) >=20 > I think "xamgu" works there, but you could also try "xendo" maybe? (I > love the word "xendo".) I doscovered "xendo" some time after sending this message, ech :) > I'll give you my opinion of what it means. >=20 > cilre: Someone who learns something. They start off not knowing what > they're going to learn, and then after experiencing the xelcilre they > know it. > (...) "Yes but". This all still is concerned with facts; co "mi cilre fo la lojba= n" would mean that I'm learning facts about lojban, not lojban itself. But = I can accept a supposition that "cilre" without fe changes meaning from "le= arning facts" to "learning skills" (or some such), by analogy to words like= "facki", which has a definition: "x1 discovers/finds out x2 (du'u) about s= ubject/object x3; x1 finds (fi) x3 (object)". > > Or am I too picky? ;) >=20 > No worries! This is like the world headquarters of pickiness. That's > an even more widespread characteristic among Lojbanists than > left-handedness or typing on a Dvorak keyboard. Welcome! That's good :) Although I'm not left-handed and I'm using plain QWERTY ;) =2D-=20 Ecce Jezuch "Designed and developed inside of my lungs, on the tip of my f*ing tongue but no one ever gets the point; that life is always about to fall to pieces, just something beautiful that's about to get wrecked but no one wants to feel at all because we've made ourselves so numb. But I want to feel something" - J. Stem --nextPart1558074.6QV0PJbACz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAkyJDSQACgkQy0fq9RM+TxhU8gCgyLWbrjBuGcOSaWzScZX0g23f +tEAoLj5xhd58goF7dLDIOJNT51euHJL =7c8k -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1558074.6QV0PJbACz--