From lojban-beginners+bncCJ2UzZHuDRD85aTkBBoECC2_yg@googlegroups.com Thu Sep 09 12:18:54 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Otme1-0006M9-Of; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 12:18:53 -0700 Received: by wwe15 with SMTP id 15sf324139wwe.16 for ; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 12:18:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=jnLKo7PZ9l0l/kURQBvUwfKUTC22yyWZmaEqkflpN98=; b=O1MbBN9z5T7MYkUQKD3cPsZhO4yN3TlC/UWEBGFAKjQoMdq4z6JX0rUGat+RgDQxR0 diSGRJqK8rin2SdxvMn13cKryY+/XuvYvZx7MPSw9HTXRuBHZQBl/Id44BZcHQuOSqCv FOOOJJDdZwCbJBXHo+xlQynm0GAWvB5jbvBn8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=EjvJn+fI1tpIQoxjNvm3L/RAcnYWZ6CB4p2aRgRNbDBMuEv/wbN3mR9FgcPYM4U0Yi fjskmmkZ4ScJsDvlHpntNzAGgSwd7Vg7qvXQFzAPJk1Zw9NQ0Ge5gms6qNMaV0xDalvQ ccykxlamnK1YNvekSNvI8zX0q0atF6OJ5TjKo= Received: by 10.216.145.167 with SMTP id p39mr1662332wej.25.1284059900110; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 12:18:20 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.242.202 with SMTP id i52ls3144420wer.0.p; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 12:18:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.13.199 with SMTP id b49mr492125web.10.1284059899070; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 12:18:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.13.199 with SMTP id b49mr492124web.10.1284059899036; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 12:18:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f54.google.com (mail-ww0-f54.google.com [74.125.82.54]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id o41si553037weq.4.2010.09.09.12.18.17; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 12:18:18 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.54 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.54; Received: by wwi17 with SMTP id 17so89786wwi.11 for ; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 12:18:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.38.143 with SMTP id b15mr50923wbe.178.1284059897634; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 12:18:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.151.203 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 12:18:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201009091836.52588.jezuch@interia.pl> References: <201009042054.50156.jezuch@interia.pl> <201009091836.52588.jezuch@interia.pl> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 16:18:17 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] ko curmi le nu mi ninpengau do mi From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.54 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/9/9 Krzysztof Sobolewski : > > "Yes but". This all still is concerned with facts; co "mi cilre fo la loj= ban" would mean that I'm learning facts about lojban, not lojban itself. I agree with you. > But I can accept a supposition that "cilre" without fe changes meaning fr= om "learning facts" to "learning skills" (or some such), by analogy to word= s like "facki", which has a definition: "x1 discovers/finds out x2 (du'u) a= bout subject/object x3; x1 finds (fi) x3 (object)". For finding an object, I use "tolcri" ("to'e cirko"). For learning a skill, "crebi'o" ("certu binxo"). mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.