From lojban-beginners+bncCMqBsa7nERDgh6jkBBoEYmjRVg@googlegroups.com Fri Sep 10 03:10:37 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Ou0Yp-00082K-V6; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 03:10:36 -0700 Received: by gya1 with SMTP id 1sf1925438gya.16 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 03:10:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=cccHdJpzSQxlEuuWiS6Q99epTR7zUtDt+gJX2vNh1So=; b=6DIwNBU3KqPmDv4s3zMw7lymFadzA3rWCJN8K3JDmb71JpEYA4qFkN0aML7T641t9Q AENLZcODMP2jMdXGwX16kBZCWTKRHAcF7OwrkTAbTOFspEyT5MGkGBo8A+hEdHGMR3Sk Wh7U6BUgtu1GjF3JAb5+Do+A0tUNo+17bfLZM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=NwgFv1pALdXZByoSzqlFKLlHmb54eGi/gpAmxFK/z/Rje3UIlSCV8r59S1VArQePHj 80rPBGaSha1+Tf5QNdlQ2t4SyAWb2GE2so7jYeuhBUm6DdMFMbPzt/wBuqUKRc8p6bL5 hV75v7QHIsqSHEUN96oC2A0TC9H34vIEXRNPc= Received: by 10.91.12.6 with SMTP id p6mr66529agi.42.1284113378252; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 03:09:38 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.193.98 with SMTP id dt34ls3394218ibb.0.p; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 03:09:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.1.1 with SMTP id 1mr18743ice.26.1284113375425; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 03:09:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.1.1 with SMTP id 1mr18742ice.26.1284113375392; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 03:09:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f179.google.com (mail-iw0-f179.google.com [209.85.214.179]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id db12si1440164ibb.5.2010.09.10.03.09.34; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 03:09:34 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of oges007@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.179 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.179; Received: by mail-iw0-f179.google.com with SMTP id 4so2127840iwn.38 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 03:09:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.151.135 with SMTP id c7mr685688ibw.184.1284113374193; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 03:09:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.36.2 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 03:09:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4C89FDDE.8050508@gmail.com> References: <4C88FE19.3010505@gmail.com> <4C891A69.1070507@gmail.com> <4C89F785.4060902@gmail.com> <4C89FDDE.8050508@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 20:09:34 +1000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] lo la me no da From: Ross Ogilvie To: lojban-beginners X-Original-Sender: oges007@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of oges007@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.179 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=oges007@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0050450144a885284c048fe4f179 --0050450144a885284c048fe4f179 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The reason that no {du} or {me} is needed is because { mei } 'grabs' a hold of { no } and together forms a selbri with the definition nomei: x1 is the mass formed from set x2 whose zero members are x3 or in other words x1 is the mass formed from the set with no members ie x1 is the mass of nothing (Mass is being used here in a lojban technical way. If you haven't encountered it in a lojban context, a mass is basically a group of things) In the previous examples, du was the selbri or me was used to turn a sumti into the selbri. But since nomei is already a selbri, these other words are not needed. mu'o mi'e .ros. On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 7:43 PM, wrote: > > "lo ka du no da" works. Also "lo ka me no da", or "lo ka no mei". >> > In this last example, why does there not have to be anything in between "lo > ka" and "no mei", > as there is a "du" and "me" with the others? > > thx > la ka du no da (is this correct for saying "the one named 'nothingness' "?) > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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The reason = that no {du} or {me} is needed is because { mei } 'grabs' a hold of= { no } and together forms a selbri with the definition
nomei: x1 is the mass formed from set x2 whose zero members are x3
or in= other words
x1 is the mass formed from the set with no members
iex1 is the mass of nothing

(Mass is being used here in a lojban technical way. If you haven't=20 encountered it in a lojban context, a mass is basically a group of=20 things)

In the previous examples, du was the selbri or me was used t= o turn a sumti into the selbri. But since nomei is already a selbri, these = other words are not needed.

mu'o mi'e .ros.

On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 7:43 PM, <lokanoda@gmail.com> wrote:

"lo ka du no da" works. Also "lo ka me no da", or "= ;lo ka no mei".
In this last example, why does there not have to be anything in between &qu= ot;lo ka" and "no mei",
as there is a "du" and "me" with the others?

thx
la ka du no da (is this correct for saying "the one named 'nothing= ness' "?)


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