From lojban-beginners+bncCICntNPQBRCO77XlBBoEsifW8A@googlegroups.com Thu Oct 07 00:32:59 2010 Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P3kyF-00048F-L1; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 00:32:59 -0700 Received: by pwj6 with SMTP id 6sf233575pwj.16 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 00:32:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:mime-version :received:received:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=caQCndsVRVwmpzy3WX+hvuhOD74HWW2n1ijqK967MnY=; b=5PhRfG5EUPFbw9aXR07rjPj+eqqkvApdcJdQa7IsRjSIlXuW1jcrdQpycMoowOfCRA RN20VybrAj+WMQ9hM/HxZLYdR2c8B5ak8es8FemCLiahxKyMTvtVU7KQp5+BSWyq6Lam brUU79P2DxU5x7wrbZIGe5oyppIxYmXYdUQiI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references :user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=RdVcjpLqSo/9G8tX7sktESR5CKPb4fTHlDlx16JPYDhp75iHlyRhsvbg53oiWGTWpB AzWRRasQz8LwsdA/2j3bg6JsIdJUHeKKgC1gpydWmqnZu3lhqikuzQ5kKdp0jYNIcVKL AEuJVxEsCiYbmQLtQkQSz+PrwtqnfJsCvb8xk= Received: by 10.142.150.11 with SMTP id x11mr8581wfd.14.1286436750748; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 00:32:30 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.6.9 with SMTP id 9ls9031749wff.3.p; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 00:32:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.195.18 with SMTP id s18mr7072wff.27.1286436749949; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 00:32:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 13g2000prf.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 00:32:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 00:32:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-IP: 166.135.217.193 References: <201010061703.14894.phma@phma.optus.nu> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.10) Gecko/20100915 Ubuntu/10.04 (lucid) Firefox/3.6.10,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: A suggestion for the Lojban names of weekdays and months. From: Lindar To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: lindarthebard@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Am I being spam-blocked? >_> detri x1 is the date [day,week,month,year] of event/state x2, at location x3, by calendar x4. We ALREADY HAVE that word. It's already there. It's in existence. We don't need more words that mean the same thing. .i li pa lo'o detri (lo cabdei) "Today is the first." .i li pa pi'e ci pi'e re pi'e re no pa no lo'o detri lo cabdei mi lo *gregorian* Today is the first day of the third week (the 15th?) of the second month (February?) of the year 2010 (in base dau) at my location in the gregorian calendar. I'm sorry to be RAEG IN THRADD!! but you guys have kinda steam-rolled over me every time I've brought this up. You -don't- need two whole new gismu for this when we have -one- perfectly good word that does the job exactly how you want. If you want to discuss what exactly is permitted in the x1 of detri (should it be "day | month | year" or "day of week | week | month | quarter | year | additional division | another big measurement | bollocks" or ... whatever!), then that's totally cool, but this discussion of new gismu really doesn't need to go any further. Trust me, there have been PLENTY of gismu suggested. Unless you can write your entire proposal and definition in Lojban, you're not taking up any gismu space. Feel free to petition the byfy, but I'm vetoing. On a lighter note, if we can move back to the topic at hand using detri, I would love to discuss what everybody thinks is appropriate for a calendar. I am for weeks starting on the first business day and ending on two non-business days with seven days each week and four weeks each month, thirteen months to a year with a non-day at the end of the year for the celebration of the year's end and a leap-day after June. I also believe the year should start in spring. I'm also for making dozenal the standard, though. This really doesn't change the fact that most of us live by a Gregorian calendar and use decimal on a daily basis. If you, your people, and your country actually live and work by a different calendar (and/or number base), I would love to know about it so we can take into account what you're used to and blend it into what we're doing as well as create a way to express your calendar in Lojban. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. 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