From lojban-beginners+bncCKv97aq_GRCo9rflBBoENEohoA@googlegroups.com Thu Oct 07 09:54:29 2010 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P3tje-0000xV-3k; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 09:54:29 -0700 Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17sf12191fxm.16 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 09:54:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=0AMHyTnFYVFu+CjolMVb18+SQlDXeK3g0d3XN16CDnA=; b=P+PxU1cEwpP4dgZT25SjQgNOhDM5d+YXD8iZC1AYkKCQbnTFUCByNFCyCJoLPBYQON 7Uei1pkC4tYTBqxhJPqB6UO2Ws/YmUNkIDeYRq6gO9TqqRVeGqMZwHKGTBGNb9PU/mIG Xl7/Ue8fZ+4ilUgfD0UcqEFCz3ZHE9oSLNgGc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=6C5rkeHw2fJi2rHv4GoySJdZ7MXNB6LIBgIvvjINS3UFYWBAz65ZwjY17Ab656o/Zm EPl9h09jd5GWeiHBzYhZZnGySMc1T4MX4PTNWSfydaCzFSnSocq4RwSYQUNo+O4fiMSC gt68XRDJh10C15+FY9StIeyDZ6kHDv4SrsVvc= Received: by 10.223.79.138 with SMTP id p10mr40328fak.42.1286470440874; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 09:54:00 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.223.32.142 with SMTP id c14ls149234fad.2.p; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 09:54:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.127.14 with SMTP id e14mr59140fas.16.1286470440084; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 09:54:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.127.14 with SMTP id e14mr59139fas.16.1286470440030; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 09:54:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bw0-f43.google.com (mail-bw0-f43.google.com [209.85.214.43]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id q13si632060faa.15.2010.10.07.09.53.58; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 09:53:59 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lamelnyk@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.43 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.43; Received: by bwz16 with SMTP id 16so45059bwz.30 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 09:53:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.121.84 with SMTP id g20mr906841bkr.37.1286470438773; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 09:53:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.39.209 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 09:53:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 19:53:58 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] A suggestion for the Lojban names of weekdays and months. From: Oleksii Melnyk To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lamelnyk@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lamelnyk@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.43 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lamelnyk@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c597528464c8049209bd2e --001636c597528464c8049209bd2e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 2010/10/6 Jonathan Jones > about the pros and cons of the two current methods of naming the days of > the week - one based on numbers, the other on concepts. {pavdei} > IMO "day of week" is not a kind of "-dei/djedi", but a kind of "detri". "... at DayOfWeek ..." is "... de'i SOMETHING ...". Do we really have a "logical" use case for "Monday" itself, without any event to attach "de'i X" to? Moreover, "detri" implies the cultural bias(at x4), so, we can use any "foreign" day of week names. And consider "de'i li PA" to be the most neutral way of weekday naming. And so for the month names. "January" is something near "de'i li pi'epa" (or pi'epi'epa, depends on x4 of detri) -- mu'o mi'e lex -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --001636c597528464c8049209bd2e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
2010/10/6 Jonathan Jones &= lt;eyeonus@gmail.com>
about the pros and cons of the two current methods of naming the days of th= e week - one based on numbers, the other on concepts. {pavdei}

IMO "day of week" is not a kind of "-dei/djedi&= quot;, but a kind of "detri". "... at DayOfWeek ..." is= "... de'i SOMETHING ...". Do we really have a "logical&= quot; use case for "Monday" itself, without any event to attach &= quot;de'i X" to?

Moreover, "detri" implies the cultural bias(at x4), so, we ca= n use any "foreign" day of week names. And consider "de'= ;i li PA" to be the most neutral way of weekday naming.

And so = for the month names. "January" is something near "de'i l= i pi'epa" (or pi'epi'epa, depends on x4 of detri)

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