From lojban-beginners+bncCML0xpmUARDC_8zlBBoEncvXCg@googlegroups.com Mon Oct 11 09:48:34 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P5LY3-0000HZ-Ti; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 09:48:34 -0700 Received: by vws4 with SMTP id 4sf1324183vws.16 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 09:48:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=LBRQxSiISHr6R+2hPt4QAMl9ku6r9D3LJfeI+tlI8h8=; b=uHDT2PZmoaje8wf8CNbrvSoMmHtGUfaHRMz3KDgPLxfoLccj9NbdSgcC9EGNNY4In1 6kX8e5EJwMoU5Fo1b1UwbYBDsUra2QYcbp16yKvjPNJE8pz8b/z0f/4km+zj4Lfru21+ 7a+BHJ8gwetu5JdVz+9+hv84SXYooaSjKIt/U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=t4eqIwSOAp2UVUL6/EWy51t/7vmPQeqEA8qUuy3zsmPF9t4iYn9gwKpeiH4qlIaz3m zdIbuBYQZSbmM1F1ertJbzDb+KWYn2iXr6Y1Vmvu9u+TWeKreRoAROmCPT2sz7IBpPON wli5ZR2oogPHy4uP5TgzueFh1AMOgGFHxOTa0= Received: by 10.220.178.197 with SMTP id bn5mr96041vcb.44.1286815682691; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 09:48:02 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.52.1 with SMTP id f1ls514789vcg.0.p; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 09:48:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.199.65 with SMTP id er1mr657587vcb.11.1286815681639; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 09:48:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.199.65 with SMTP id er1mr657586vcb.11.1286815681606; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 09:48:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f180.google.com (mail-qy0-f180.google.com [209.85.216.180]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id z21si1455518vbl.1.2010.10.11.09.48.00; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 09:48:00 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.180 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.180; Received: by qyk1 with SMTP id 1so3807751qyk.4 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 09:48:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.234.4 with SMTP id ka4mr5288590qcb.12.1286815679488; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 09:47:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.92.2 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 09:47:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20101010193518.0350bb12.kfa@gmx.net> <201010110934.45632.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 12:47:58 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Translation exercise - Titan atmosphere life ingredients From: Ian Johnson To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.180 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016363b8fba77af6a04925a1f28 --0016363b8fba77af6a04925a1f28 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Use a construction with {zi'o} and perhaps with {be}? mu'o mi'e latros. 2010/10/11 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote= : > > On Sunday 10 October 2010 13:35:18 kfa@gmx.net wrote: > > > >> ni'oni'o .ua selcu'i lodu'u lo vacri be lo lunra be la sat=FArn. cu ra= lte > lo > >> selxre be lo jmive > > > > I'd say "terzba". Life is much more than just a mixture of ingredients. > > Isn't that a bit... creationistic? I suppose "terfarvi" could also be > contentious, but it agrees more with other ideas expressed in the > article. > > How do we talk about the source elements of something without implying > either that it was consciously put together by someone or that it > spontaneously evolved into it? > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. 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mu'o mi'e latros.

2010/10/11 Jo= rge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 1= 0:34 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.o= ptus.nu> wrote:
> On Sunday 10 October 2010 13:35:18 kfa@= gmx.net wrote:
>
>> ni'oni'o .ua selcu'i lodu'= u lo vacri be lo lunra be la sat=FArn. cu ralte lo
>> selxre be lo jmive
>
> I'd say "terzba". Life is much more than just a mixture = of ingredients.

Isn't that a bit... creationistic? I suppose "terfarvi"= could also be
contentious, but it agrees more with other ideas expressed in the
article.

How do we talk about the source elements of something without implying
either that it was consciously put together by someone or that it
spontaneously evolved into it?

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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