From lojban-beginners+bncCJ2UzZHuDRDxj8_lBBoEWdssHw@googlegroups.com Mon Oct 11 19:29:38 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P5UcN-0000BU-Ky; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 19:29:38 -0700 Received: by wye20 with SMTP id 20sf171611wye.16 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 19:29:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=VQlVcalxnwPxLusrpNGZg3SbIzsofVvN+2YZbbF/aUY=; b=A6tHsHQpTe0Tty/qTgj8nHzUAD2K8F/o33MFOaJjBaNqMZnQYExVSaax3LYz1Qr42V Dv/S3z2Sd333plnlhVx5XXtapQbGwp3S7F0uwmCou3W5gaymFfypGcnnTkaAIrgn/XaJ /HCkJc02z88fzNZvEpfxHN5Y5a4nf3rku5lMo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=GF/q8JIQlIwvXiG2sIeuhl7onxTdA7oAJpHhKV9ThXMekUXM1U1t7QVTBSy7bcmxse HvYqVjMRD/Xs1y3h4Sj99jhooHBHV/TCBlHFlxlhJgV+DueNG2ukgC7yTAjPan44IYXu bQV7tN70M5LzWuvBszHMeY6E9wigDgEe5BV9M= Received: by 10.216.237.231 with SMTP id y81mr314970weq.23.1286850545805; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 19:29:05 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.39.10 with SMTP id d10ls1276986wbe.2.p; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 19:29:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.28.2 with SMTP id k2mr210641wbc.4.1286850544416; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 19:29:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.28.2 with SMTP id k2mr210639wbc.4.1286850544354; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 19:29:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f49.google.com (mail-ww0-f49.google.com [74.125.82.49]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id w33si1528956wbd.2.2010.10.11.19.29.03; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 19:29:03 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.49 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.49; Received: by mail-ww0-f49.google.com with SMTP id 20so3467651wwd.18 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 19:29:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.135.8 with SMTP id l8mr6233380wbt.224.1286850542714; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 19:29:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.145.130 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 19:29:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 23:29:02 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] How long should a word be marked with "za'e"? From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.49 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 10:50 PM, Stela Selckiku wrote= : >=A0In that case, > though, isn't more than a {za'e} necessary? =A0What good does it do to > mark a new word as having an unexpected meaning without saying what > that meaning is? What good do scare quotes do in English? They just tell you not to take the word at face value, you will need to use the context to figure out what it means. In some cases, of course you may need to explain what it means, that's part of the context of use. > Are you saying that you think it's wrong to use {za'e} when a new word > has a predictable meaning, or just unnecessary? To me, it's just a little bit annoying, no more than that. I don't think I can say it's wrong, because we don't have any established rules about it. > Even given this smaller range of use for {za'e}, I still wonder about > my original question. =A0Suppose I invent a word with an unpredictable > meaning and mark it with {za'e}, but it doesn't catch on. =A0Later I > want to use the same word again. =A0Should I mark it again with {za'e} > when I bring it back out? I don't think it really matters whether you have used it before or not. All that matters is whether you expect your audience to take it at face value or whether you want to warn them not to take it at face value. To me it says "I'm not using this word with the meaning you would normally give it if I didn't put this warning". mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.