From lojban-beginners+bncCICntNPQBRC1xdrlBBoEF8okXA@googlegroups.com Wed Oct 13 23:27:35 2010 Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P6HHi-0005Cv-Ut; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 23:27:35 -0700 Received: by gxk6 with SMTP id 6sf3570533gxk.16 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 23:27:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:mime-version :received:received:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Kqyk0wB1u2jSVYLYhIO5ywcmz9T/wwDruxdyTl6Nj5Q=; b=Ul5tOkevoAQgaOtujZaaRCM2ZKewrWd9yY+5JN9AJt1sgdK1yJn0RAQPQPC94LPzQ3 3IqKi4x1ad47I6UTa3HDs1GPE17AjBBcJG3xAgF2QmtJ2pUcSKrtXIVH/ttWBHQRNRWW G6IYzdNyDiXUxIEsrjJRHDEmFXtcWgb0rZ3y0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references :user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=UYU/uvbd3mFQ9so7UZKC/tSDQ/Bd6ihbeg1eTzB36HlRsJf+HapmOQRUh57/v75dVm qU2yDhGMlf1WOkM11bUOJ2ydNBEI/dJhaTpjNvX4+Y3MkWGfsfiAQOihxvOyrRs45Kab Jx+tDG6sj9uJfte8tu1nyjGENwX+30tJQQEXM= Received: by 10.90.98.15 with SMTP id v15mr224125agb.15.1287037621592; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 23:27:01 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.90.62.35 with SMTP id k35ls14087aga.5.p; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 23:27:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.67.12 with SMTP id p12mr217669aga.47.1287037620987; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 23:27:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by x42g2000yqx.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 23:27:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 23:27:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-IP: 166.190.44.95 References: <20101014012330.GS24066@digitalkingdom.org> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.10) Gecko/20100915 Ubuntu/10.04 (lucid) Firefox/3.6.10,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <912647ad-7dcf-4de6-86d8-9df0e974973a@x42g2000yqx.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: A friggin' proposal. From: Lindar To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: lindarthebard@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > .i doi .lindar. do gasnu lonu lo zo'e stedu cu cortu pe'a .i ko traji nitcu > lonu cilre lo tadji lonu clite No. Also, the x2 of cilre is a du'u, and the x1 of tadji is a pu'u. I'm not going out of my way to be rude, I'm annoyed that all of the newbies are playing monkey-see-monkey-do. Stop the proposal nonsense. Before you pretend to be a big boy, you should probably do research, talk to the rest of us, and find out whether or not the topic has been discussed, because it's very likely that it has. Read the previous arguments (one of my jobs is to find these arguments and post them to relevant sections in the BPFK articles, so give me a break, I'm trying to make it easy for you), ask for clarification if you need it, and only when you have a new idea that hasn't been discussed should you bring up the idea. It's getting to the point where I/we read "proposal" as "ignore what I'm saying". That being said, if you've done all your homework and understand previous arguments, it would be appropriate to start a discussion and explain your ideas. Proposal means "I want to change something and this is how it's going to happen." and "Hey, I have an idea, what do you think?" is much preferred to it. (if you haven't noticed, I'm putting tl;dr versions after stuff... start looking for them if you're lazy! =P ) tl;dr x2 of cilre isn't a pu'u, you want fi. Stop proposing things; it's annoying. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.