From lojban-beginners+bncCKnwz67vDhD-ytrlBBoEDG8vvQ@googlegroups.com Wed Oct 13 23:39:24 2010 Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P6HTE-0006XC-8e; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 23:39:23 -0700 Received: by gxk6 with SMTP id 6sf3585592gxk.16 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 23:39:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=6tCYfer8RljC0skhoIRzesj3aVNk0yGOOWK1oCoEt/U=; b=rKt4jtm0caRdd8FYMTx9xPl1wFraj/i6zqKodt6wOAMkFSeoK58Zrc85wx+8Vl2QFE G5IJdyfXIKcd1bxFdcvc181OfhZeGxfn3RMrqB+8EDguoTSYZpMlrCI5aBJhDv/BPOMh Oip7IyYvtEwUGqnOCbKeZcu20l8DECMHWVB80= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=p8VqCXYO/SCYChE/XuPMiLAAqWUyyskTl8mwhzLR4cEDDxWMwHU2jpjSW7FlwnVDPC bPcSYL3cMgqTBiOuTXEdz3WCBKTvimzFS+wGa1GXGZvNRKx5JPpbYy6/jUAEqBwe2AFa E6hzs1RYbq9JrQzIncGVyZ+j1wFZz1ZlTyGB8= Received: by 10.90.99.12 with SMTP id w12mr230208agb.23.1287038334929; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 23:38:54 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.55.74 with SMTP id t10ls1216564ibg.3.p; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 23:38:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.176.11 with SMTP id bc11mr3665204ibb.13.1287038334255; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 23:38:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.176.11 with SMTP id bc11mr3665202ibb.13.1287038334210; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 23:38:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f178.google.com (mail-iw0-f178.google.com [209.85.214.178]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id bm7si6459139ibb.6.2010.10.13.23.38.53; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 23:38:53 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of ted.reed@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.178; Received: by mail-iw0-f178.google.com with SMTP id 36so499133iwn.9 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 23:38:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.152.143 with SMTP id g15mr7886875ibw.76.1287038333058; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 23:38:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.151.147 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 23:38:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <912647ad-7dcf-4de6-86d8-9df0e974973a@x42g2000yqx.googlegroups.com> References: <20101014012330.GS24066@digitalkingdom.org> <912647ad-7dcf-4de6-86d8-9df0e974973a@x42g2000yqx.googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 23:38:52 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: A friggin' proposal. From: Theodore Reed To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: ted.reed@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of ted.reed@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=ted.reed@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636d34573a77d5204928df6bb --001636d34573a77d5204928df6bb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 23:27, Lindar wrote: > It's getting to the point where I/we read "proposal" as "ignore what > I'm saying". > > I was just the other day remarking privately WRT this whole topic. I was going to summarize the remarks, but it's late and I'm lazy and don't feel like being politic, so I'll just paste: 13:22 < treed> The whole "continuing jufra" thing on the bpfk mailing list is pissing me off. 13:22 < treed> They're making up bullshit solutions to a problem that doesn't exist. 13:22 < treed> But I don't really want to spend the time or energy debating it. 13:24 < treed> It's bullshit. 13:24 < treed> "But, how do you know when someone's continuing someone else's jufra" 13:24 < treed> The only reason you could actually want to do that is to be an asshole. 13:24 < treed> otherwise just fucking use go'i and add sumti as needed 13:25 < treed> And then the implication that every lojban jufra *must* start with an .i or it's invalid. 13:26 < treed> The thing that annoys me most is the feeling that if I don't bother with them, this kind of shit will sneak into the language. 13:26 < treed> This is really just a magnified version of what I've been feeling for a while. 13:27 < treed> And why I dislike dealing with newbs so much these days. 13:27 < treed> And don't pay attention to the mailing lists. 13:27 < treed> It's just an endless parade of the same old shit. 13:27 < treed> I'm past wanting to tinker with the language. I'd like to just be able to use it and not have to worry that some asshat's going to come along and dick with my shit. 13:28 < treed> If it weren't for outstanding broken bullshit, I'd just suggest that we declare the time for tinkering over. 13:29 < treed> And ignore the tinkerers henceforth. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --001636d34573a77d5204928df6bb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 23:27, Lindar <lindarthebard@yahoo= .com> wrote:
It's getting to the point where I/we read "propo= sal" as "ignore what
I'm saying".


I was just th= e other day remarking privately WRT this whole topic. I was going to summar= ize the remarks, but it's late and I'm lazy and don't feel like= being politic, so I'll just paste:

13:22 < treed> The whole "continuing ju= fra" thing on the bpfk mailing list is=A0pissing me off.
13:= 22 < treed> They're making up bullshit solutions to a problem tha= t doesn't=A0exist.
13:22 < treed> But I don't really want to spend the time or = energy debating it.
13:24 < treed> It's bull= shit.
13:24 < treed> "But, how do you know when someon= e's continuing someone else's=A0jufra"
13:24 < treed> The only reason you could actually want to do tha= t is to be an=A0asshole.
13:24 < treed> otherwise just fuck= ing use go'i and add sumti as needed
13:25 < treed>= ; And then the implication that every lojban jufra *must* start=A0with an .= i or it's invalid.
13:26 < treed> The thing that annoys me most is the = feeling that if I don't=A0bother with them, this kind of shit will snea= k into the language.
13:26 < treed> This is really just a m= agnified version of what I've been=A0feeling for a while.
13:27 < treed> And why I dislike dealing with newbs so much= these days.
13:27 < treed> And don't pay attention to = the mailing lists.
13:27 < treed> It's just an endless = parade of the same old shit.
13:27 < treed> I'm past wanting to tinker with the language.= I'd like to just=A0be able to use it and not have to worry that some a= sshat's going=A0to come along and dick with my shit.
13:28 < treed> If it weren't for outstanding broken bullshit, I&#= 39;d just suggest=A0that we declare the time for tinkering over.
= 13:29 < treed> And ignore the tinkerers henceforth.

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