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User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: A friggin' proposal. References: <20101014012330.GS24066@digitalkingdom.org> <912647ad-7dcf-4de6-86d8-9df0e974973a@x42g2000yqx.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 68.230.240.9 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) smtp.mail=lojbab@lojban.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Theodore Reed wrote: > 13:27 < treed> I'm past wanting to tinker with the language. I'd like to > just be able to use it and not have to worry that some asshat's going to > come along and dick with my shit. > 13:28 < treed> If it weren't for outstanding broken bullshit, I'd just > suggest that we declare the time for tinkering over. > 13:29 < treed> And ignore the tinkerers henceforth. %^) We did declare the time for tinkering over. Back in 1997 wen CLL came out. It became the current language baseline. I have been saying the above since then. xorlo was approved anyway. Unfortunately, the tinkerers have a different concept of what constitutes "outstanding broken bullshit" than you and I do. Because we haven't gotten the BYFY project done, we can't redeclare the baseline, and the proposals keep coming. We really have to finish defining the current language. Then decide if anything is broken enough to be worth fixing. Then fix it and be done. Then the tinkerers can be successfully ignored. lojbab -- Bob LeChevalier lojbab@lojban.org www.lojban.org President and Founder, The Logical Language Group, Inc. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.