From lojban-beginners+bncCObTgpPXERDBlePlBBoET4YdAg@googlegroups.com Fri Oct 15 14:42:52 2010 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P6s36-0007Ct-Ty; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 14:42:52 -0700 Received: by yxe1 with SMTP id 1sf1304875yxe.16 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 14:42:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received :mime-version:received:received:date:x-ip:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=4USdGNrnvuApJx2hFfoeiLQgkf2yPMtY8KnzW4B4/RI=; b=UTicgVgI+zFBp7wkjLy3krlqn7s7ZwY3BsLc0MxO807x6dqTI4Cpk43UCfL/Y4bTC5 uoel0zl2eOL0W3UL/xZoRkwT2POjuWxVPrBtZUDLl7GZ5fJ9LQc6Be4G+4sNzKxUcYr1 96x53uFfQ3jaAJCoNvVJnK6vHXjJUi9RnFXgg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:x-ip:user-agent:x-http-useragent :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence :mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=2rknj/hGa3OFMjOP8FzIFcC0QrEpDscFEB/akVpsRFwCL33fqw5aEzDXXNgDAI6Knr QsRylhEsMrkXEdWZ5AB8fmQelvHqW09Gt02ZeSnlBHIX56oX/L6tgdqY5lp8VDCeBAO7 c71LDK4oSKqpB7DcVDuJb3uDfM65cEWBpv6zk= Received: by 10.150.72.9 with SMTP id u9mr33679yba.81.1287178945232; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 14:42:25 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.1.17 with SMTP id 17ls2183958yba.0.p; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 14:42:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.141.8 with SMTP id t8mr407740ybn.10.1287178944661; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 14:42:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.50.4 with SMTP id x4mr332098agx.2.1287112637701; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 20:17:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by y32g2000prc.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 20:17:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 20:17:17 -0700 (PDT) X-IP: 24.24.172.142 User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10_6_4; en-US) AppleWebKit/534.3 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/6.0.472.63 Safari/534.3,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <2402d4cd-100d-42f4-9240-3463600325be@y32g2000prc.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] newbie question on bridi construction From: "la deivyd." To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: david.a.imel@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi All, I'm just starting to learn lojban -- starting with smart.fm gismu flash cards and reading through the (online html version of) CLL. I came to something in CLL that makes me think I'm fundamentally misunderstanding how the grammar works, so I thought I'd de-lurk and ask. (Is there a gismu for "x1 lurks on list x2"? Just kidding.) Example 6.1 (http://www.lojban.org/publications/reference_grammar/ chapter7.html#e6d1): la .alis. sipna le ri kumfa says the translation is "Alice sleeps in her room." If I understand how the bridi work, I should first look at sipna (because kumfa has been made into a sumti by adding { le ri } in front of it, right?) as a "function": sipna(x1), where x1 is { la .alis. }. But the sentence, and the translation, seem to imply that this is sipna(x1,x2), with x2 being { le ri kumfa }. When I look up sipna in my gismu references, it only seems to have an x1. Is this example a mistake? Or are my gismu lists outdated and there is an x2 for sipna? Or can you add sumti beyond the specified number of arguments to a gismu? Best to all, --David. { la deivyd. } -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.