From lojban-beginners+bncCNCCoMTMDhDmqOPlBBoEfR6JSw@googlegroups.com Fri Oct 15 15:24:02 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P6sgx-00038P-2d; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 15:24:02 -0700 Received: by wwe15 with SMTP id 15sf738556wwe.16 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 15:23:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:mime-version:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=92q4y69/01eRXFX3YPxTEhfu6GT6DLctNQntLCZElzs=; b=09hBb+xAYosigRiAdmKnGIE9SZdqCX3rRNqvxm9914vWCCmt8ENezKP9q44D8IOTf+ B5brEurdlOh6xe5OMJTQB08NQaZsJ8r4P79iNKpDzcJSBvjKibFpGqBNbLvzML0nrxXy fbqKRmkfdIih6rNlx9nv8KoeEA1EreqvKBbLA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=OAdB/Ofh8UawsnzmIuj9EODLxZLCpab29o1BQ29YnDKMWdb+Rs9BqJRKBWMv/noGYu U2IZQyfqJHFk/CrvbxYukOWMrYh7Xxl19jFlhH/7VDzl/74o8mroH+dIMN5TpAmIn4Us 1eLzbWgdCj3l75kG9616IUAoCxDHI5IhOaDoo= Received: by 10.216.28.207 with SMTP id g57mr241915wea.5.1287181414694; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 15:23:34 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.198.213 with SMTP id ep21ls392511wbb.2.p; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 15:23:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.195.3 with SMTP id ea3mr69236wbb.23.1287181413127; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 15:23:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.195.3 with SMTP id ea3mr69235wbb.23.1287181413095; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 15:23:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f180.google.com (mail-wy0-f180.google.com [74.125.82.180]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id ep20si1575865wbb.7.2010.10.15.15.23.32; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 15:23:32 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of selckiku@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.180 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.180; Received: by wye20 with SMTP id 20so229584wye.25 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 15:23:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.134.194 with SMTP id k2mr1643216wbt.86.1287181411859; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 15:23:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.28.16 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 15:23:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2402d4cd-100d-42f4-9240-3463600325be@y32g2000prc.googlegroups.com> References: <2402d4cd-100d-42f4-9240-3463600325be@y32g2000prc.googlegroups.com> From: Stela Selckiku Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 18:23:01 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] newbie question on bridi construction To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: selckiku@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of selckiku@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.180 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=selckiku@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 11:17 PM, la deivyd. wrote= : > > I'm just starting to learn lojban -- starting with smart.fm gismu > flash cards and reading through the (online html version of) CLL. fi'i >=A0(Is there a gismu for "x1 lurks on list x2"? =A0Just kidding.) That'd make a good lujvo! Maybe... za'e "nalskuju'i" (na'e zei cusku zei jundi, other-than speaking attending)! > Or can you add sumti beyond the specified number of > arguments to a gismu? I have no idea about the sentence in Alice-- it's a very interesting book BTW full of all sorts of experimental language, so it's a little odd that it's so popular with beginners, but don't let that discourage you because it is an important work and a good read, but do take the things you find there with a small grain of salt!-- but YES it is possible to add extra sumti to a bridi, beyond the defined places of the brivla (whether it's a gismu, lujvo, fu'ivla, or whatever). Extra sumti are treated as if they were marked with "do'e", that is they have an unspecified relationship to the bridi. You could think of every brivla therefore as having an infinite number of places, but almost every brivla gives only a finite number of those places a fixed meaning. (There are actually a few exceptions, for instance consider "du", which has an infinite number of places all of which refer to exactly the same referent.) mi'e .telselkik. mu'o --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.