From lojban-beginners+bncCNCCoMTMDhDRr-nlBBoEv-N4Bg@googlegroups.com Sat Oct 16 18:56:59 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P7IUa-00039Z-KT; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 18:56:59 -0700 Received: by wwe15 with SMTP id 15sf1304548wwe.16 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 18:56:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:mime-version:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=7AA8Fh6rxVhpqNLnzw3YtHe0JJ4JmE95j1Wn1RuPCW8=; b=jKyKZ0yjNlSdruDG6jRQF9g2hcXoohwwfxruH3BXFxnlpo7agZMdjSTqAFwlJ4Bvyu XPbDFnHUipB/Vau0l1YyGZTz1Xgjee1mZIok7IhhpIpFgUV3xvSAyZFLV+lRTSBSR6ex 4QNkPqaH0NEDjcGDT/X5XLTutvzuCZR9nbIaA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=MvhslmEEziKJKBmYIDztgu3ZgGNkl7AYvl8vuTTcLSZhbhqC8iTuQic48uEigp9b6E FGmLW/QvnXofDxCGEdW8dCxfJOqz2kbvoza4n/COKqgYcpMAlzHnA0b6ZpTjHBouNuCJ uSFmX9GOiD6DvjxA/DGXfP4QawwwzTtzmBJM4= Received: by 10.216.242.7 with SMTP id h7mr218140wer.6.1287280593443; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 18:56:33 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.3.19 with SMTP id 19ls1676143wbl.3.p; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 18:56:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.146.196 with SMTP id i4mr32361wbv.3.1287280592163; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 18:56:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.146.196 with SMTP id i4mr32360wbv.3.1287280592137; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 18:56:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f48.google.com (mail-ww0-f48.google.com [74.125.82.48]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id x26si3821472weq.0.2010.10.16.18.56.31; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 18:56:31 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of selckiku@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.48 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.48; Received: by wwb17 with SMTP id 17so2798689wwb.29 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 18:56:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.50.18 with SMTP id y18mr3408341web.113.1287274392376; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 17:13:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.63.17 with HTTP; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 17:12:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9ae20d2b-f26e-4888-98e2-8bf832f647a9@28g2000yqm.googlegroups.com> References: <9ae20d2b-f26e-4888-98e2-8bf832f647a9@28g2000yqm.googlegroups.com> From: Stela Selckiku Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 20:12:42 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Getting in to the Lojban mindset To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: selckiku@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of selckiku@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.48 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=selckiku@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Zifre wrote: > > .i mi cortu lo xantamji be mi ri'a lonu xance plipe That seems right to me. That's pretty much exactly how I would have said it, except I might have left off the "be mi" as redundant (you can't usually feel pain in someone else's thumb). > I think that a lot of people learn best through immersion, and > unfortunately, that's not really possible with Lojban. Well you can watch my videos here: http://youtube.com/selckiku There's over 150 of them now. Some of them are just me speaking at my normal level, which would be hard for a nintadni to follow (even though it's pretty childishly simple, really, from another perspective). A lot of them though are simple demonstrations where I point something out, and there's a few lessons in English. My goal is to make enough videos that it would be possible to learn Lojban just from watching them. I don't think I can really completely accomplish that goal on my own, though, or at least not any time soon. It would be possible if lots of people helped, though. It's quite easy to contribute a Lojban immersion video: Find some object, point at it, and say "ti (word for the object)"! All you beginners could contribute, and we'd get there in no time. Making a video for a word is an excellent way to teach it to yourself, too. You'll be much more likely to retain it once you've actually done something with it. If it's possible to illustrate a word in a picture I'll often make a ctuxra (ctuca+pixra, teaching picture) to help myself remember it. For instance recently I was going through a most-common-gismu list and the first one I didn't know was "jemna", so I made this ctuxra to help me remember: http://www.flickr.com/photos/34464586@N08/5085820512/ One of the best ways to teach yourself is to teach everyone. We're all in this together! mi'e .telselkik. mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. 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