From lojban-beginners+bncCO2N0YfCFhDSh5jlBBoEh6lRyA@googlegroups.com Fri Oct 01 08:53:17 2010 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P1hvA-00045d-Ox; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 08:53:16 -0700 Received: by qwf6 with SMTP id 6sf567424qwf.16 for ; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 08:53:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to :mime-version:subject:date:references:x-mailer:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=4cROFJgifOToqgn/Wj+fbSsUJtEi4gI6YQaOZKjJorg=; b=3I6bpjnmFTcPpbpoXG+YzqFey80kH55tI5wWPqxsay1JJwXUmLR6U0ocEDMOl6iLUh AfxCzOXCnUtOKFe8/eC06SnCpptZ9nPZ9IVL9yBBf5+eDLx7Uw0VtgexRfnbaemuJGXE h0FihDBSXhNLypAliv9O6NFsRANYG3o96jYkY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to :mime-version:subject:date:references:x-mailer:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=ZWp69BlTM3N5lI1eZCksmbUuLYeHv/ZC1CYLvJc6vuyA3t1MhUCssMVubOCUjrOLSA Xw5z6uXb/IcQ5vDIcsIeheypwI5nWyTLd4FsoMOGSDP3EQou5sT5Js8f2CUFdKP9UVRf 37SXA0Mtqt3Peu2siSaajXACoOTC074SqxX3g= Received: by 10.229.34.72 with SMTP id k8mr402754qcd.27.1285948370982; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 08:52:50 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.173.155 with SMTP id p27ls1178428qcz.3.p; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 08:52:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.237.74 with SMTP id kn10mr1343104qcb.1.1285948370302; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 08:52:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.237.74 with SMTP id kn10mr1343103qcb.1.1285948370276; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 08:52:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from li60-119.members.linode.com (linode.feoh.org [97.107.130.119]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id x2si732423qcq.3.2010.10.01.08.52.50; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 08:52:50 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 97.107.130.119 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of kpreid@switchb.org) client-ip=97.107.130.119; Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=[IPv6:::1]) by li60-119.members.linode.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1P1huj-0004Ae-HQ for lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 15:52:49 +0000 Message-Id: <671C9B4A-4E53-4F59-8B06-22E74A4A7AC7@switchb.org> From: Kevin Reid To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] cusku/NU Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 11:52:47 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-Original-Sender: kpreid@switchb.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 97.107.130.119 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of kpreid@switchb.org) smtp.mail=kpreid@switchb.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes On Oct 1, 2010, at 11:24, Alex Rozenshteyn wrote: > Is there a way to say something like "So you say that I am fat?" > > The problem is that cusku takes a (sedu'u/text/lu'e concept), and > not a more general abstraction. "se du'u" is what you want, not "a more general abstraction". Without considering the English "So ...?" construct, this is: do cusku lo se du'u mi plana You say that I am fat "lo se du'u" is, in general, what you use where you could use a quotation but are instead expressing the concept in your own words. "You" said something whose meaning was "I am fat", but you're not saying what words were said. -- Kevin Reid -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.