From lojban-beginners+bncCJXwn4e6DRC6pIHmBBoE-_v-fg@googlegroups.com Thu Oct 21 07:46:44 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P8wPf-0002EV-Pj; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 07:46:44 -0700 Received: by wwe15 with SMTP id 15sf2712480wwe.16 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 07:46:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:mime-version:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=mOJJSKIyc9QwgOmVk92+Tsmmy5TNAo1GJNyJlL9S3yI=; b=2eBuwJoVqxJ6F+YUXPIUgoWXPn/LwED4P80Nxkvfx63UGeYcKAKdvwGxAuc7MinQyE 89vbvRrH8XRZ+QcWuTE2PakX6xXRs0bKOka6I1rpa5GTWqt8GhAex+OP7J8a1thCe6RC +O8Aace3CujyiXyEBKPFzmrR5fLnbnY3zcn+w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=msm8PTy+yQlaJZMlA6wYgPxGEqYGxTL+kP+rDa1/TVIjenBG7qgk76SYKKuISvtFXg wEgg2xvfYB3LtemRjygcyPq1EAjs1zGzqRd2IiuHspPCJaZEik8u47vIz/M6lTFnbIjI afcRGPpnSw86CPPTilRP57WKDmc5eZOSyLfOE= Received: by 10.217.4.79 with SMTP id t57mr139779wes.12.1287672378170; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 07:46:18 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.223.27.83 with SMTP id h19ls892308fac.0.p; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 07:46:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.103.221.12 with SMTP id y12mr56642muq.11.1287672377088; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 07:46:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.103.221.12 with SMTP id y12mr56641muq.11.1287672377033; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 07:46:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-fx0-f51.google.com (mail-fx0-f51.google.com [209.85.161.51]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id l25si410277fam.8.2010.10.21.07.46.16; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 07:46:16 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of adamlopresto@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.51 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.51; Received: by mail-fx0-f51.google.com with SMTP id 1so114667fxm.24 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 07:46:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.62.193 with SMTP id y1mr746786bkh.131.1287672374125; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 07:46:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.113.144 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 07:45:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <09333FFB-75A4-4409-99CB-2FAE7620F434@albanocruz.com> References: <80BFFF28-45C0-4B2B-B4EC-CAFB84DE3F87@albanocruz.com> <09333FFB-75A4-4409-99CB-2FAE7620F434@albanocruz.com> From: Adam Lopresto Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 09:45:53 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Lojban for beginners To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: adamlopresto@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of adamlopresto@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.51 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=adamlopresto@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's nothing to do with Lojban. It's just that a lot of British accents are non-rhotic (meaning that the letter R isn't pronounced in many possitions where it would be in rhotic accents). Wikipedia has more information than you could possibly want about it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhotic_and_non-rhotic_accents On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 6:09 AM, Albano Cruz <3dtreboles@gmail.com> wrote: > Thx guys! > > Though it's very strange for me to transcribe robeRt as robyt. Keep feeli= ng a missing R. > > I'll update the translation. > > > El 21/10/2010, a las 08:08, Matthew Walton escribi=F3: > >> On 20 October 2010 18:55, Luke Bergen wrote: >>> I usually pronounce Robert as rab,rt as the CLL suggests. =A0Maybe some= one >>> from the UK can give input on the pronunciation there. >> >> Over here you hear robyt and robyrt, depending on accent. I wouldn't >> be at all surprised if other Brits could come up with other variants >> as well. >> >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Albano Cruz <3dtreboles@gmail.com> wro= te: >>>> >>>> Hi to all... >>>> >>>> I've started the translation into Spanish of "Lojban for beginners", a= nd I >>>> just encountered my first doubt. The following paragraph contains yhe >>>> lojbanization of the nam Robert: >>>> >>>> - - - >>>> The final point is stress. As we've seen, Lojban words are stressed on= the >>>> penultimate syllable, and if a name has different stress, we use capit= al >>>> letters. This means that the English and French names Robert come out >>>> differently in Lojban: the English name is robyt. in UK English, or ra= b,rt. >>>> in some American dialects, but the French is roBER. . >>>> - - - >>>> >>>> Robert in English becomes "robyt", apparently. But... shouldn't it be >>>> "robyrt" ? >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance, >>>> .albanos. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Gro= ups >>>> "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com= . >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou= ps >>> "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscri= be@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/loj= ban-beginners?hl=3Den. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscrib= e@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an-beginners?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. 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