From lojban-beginners+bncCOjSjrXVGBDYmILmBBoE5At2Sg@googlegroups.com Thu Oct 21 11:54:43 2010 Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P90He-0001mm-KF; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 11:54:43 -0700 Received: by ywk9 with SMTP id 9sf29306ywk.16 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 11:54:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=mOFhUd20k3QFy7GYevGsPvzV3ltQZmndsiO2eau0Fi0=; b=s3oEmFdN3BbNTEqPpK+cZE+H0of6jgOTeFNLYUAidir9XzCx4ZtxDCqwnvplG/rL41 PyUAR5Fju75QYee1cZk+c5xcJ7trUVwvPWrMZy4jGe3tUCFZBEKN7E8ag0AQM3ZBbh77 cttJCmZMUnoHA1y56sAVcKWLHVXu5AiJltor0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=N+ieKWBWu3n8yUS0TdEqhNRsTn3I8tpLCWwWc1z8nbwDKTuKfJ3WCol//fA4zhedeC dJsx6K/fffHL8Gfn5+xdiwOR/Quu59rYG7/19Wip2Pvgwhz2cR/ji+osPbn+sNXTFaB3 cw0y84j4OoD0A/CW22JXNrvbwBbAHuA+rImVs= Received: by 10.101.55.12 with SMTP id h12mr56150ank.63.1287687256808; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 11:54:16 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.123.203 with SMTP id q11ls863950ibr.2.p; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 11:54:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.36.140 with SMTP id t12mr310959ibd.4.1287687255935; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 11:54:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.36.140 with SMTP id t12mr310958ibd.4.1287687255859; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 11:54:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f177.google.com (mail-iw0-f177.google.com [209.85.214.177]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id b32si1179508ibq.1.2010.10.21.11.54.14; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 11:54:14 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.177 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.177; Received: by iwn8 with SMTP id 8so45126iwn.36 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 11:54:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.33.203 with SMTP id i11mr1268433ibd.8.1287687253475; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 11:54:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.149.14 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 11:54:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 14:54:13 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] How to say "should" in Lojban From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.177 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=002215048feb53db550493250da4 --002215048feb53db550493250da4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I just use bilga in those cases. I think of {bilga} as a more generic form of the english "should". If you want to add connotation that is specific to the sentence you can tanruize it. e.g. {mi kanro bilga lo nu sipna} for "I really should get to sleep (for my health)". Or you could use .ai or .ei On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Zifre wrote: > What is the best way to say "should" in Lojban? For example, "I should > go home". > > nitcu, bilga, and sarcu are all similar, but they don't seem to have > quite the same connotations as the English words "should" or "ought". > For example, > > .i mi nitcu lonu klama le zdani > > Is not quite the same, because I might not *need* to go home, it would > just be beneficial in some way. > > .i lonu mi klama le zdani cu sarcu > > and > > .i mi bilga lonu klama le zdani > > and are not quite the same either. What is the best way to express > this idea? Is there some obvious gismu that I haven't noticed? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --002215048feb53db550493250da4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just use bilga in those cases. =A0I think of {bilga} as a more generic fo= rm of the english "should". =A0If you want to add connotation tha= t is specific to the sentence you can tanruize it. =A0e.g. {mi kanro bilga = lo nu sipna} for "I really should get to sleep (for my health)". = =A0Or you could use .ai or .ei

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Zifre <kmicklas@gmail.com> wrote:
What is the best way to say "should" in Lojban? For example, &quo= t;I should
go home".

nitcu, bilga, and sarcu are all similar, but they don't seem to have quite the same connotations as the English words "should" or &quo= t;ought".
For example,

.i mi nitcu lonu klama le zdani

Is not quite the same, because I might not *need* to go home, it would
just be beneficial in some way.

.i lonu mi klama le zdani cu sarcu

and

.i mi bilga lonu klama le zdani

and are not quite the same either. What is the best way to express
this idea? Is there some obvious gismu that I haven't noticed?

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