From lojban-beginners+bncCMHEmaCOBhCL0YTmBBoEieqp7w@googlegroups.com Thu Oct 21 23:01:08 2010 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P9Aga-0006O4-Dq; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 23:01:07 -0700 Received: by yxe42 with SMTP id 42sf439769yxe.16 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 23:00:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=/D1JnKZHCnmb3yW9BsQ2SHP3fcO+Ct1ITL7Jh4pRtso=; b=jxCGGCgEqdHUvB5ludZ0yQKaXcA+DuYMjwV1s4JEZIygNSqOfREOHtHe/CkjD0CLI3 EhO/Ean7btIxk/BlQ1AVMydDUI8MQIaUH89rWU1GB75b2r9iSCCLPOSzhgpD0KpIgl9L Df5ecbhMpIJV4yCnrlstu15UL67APfgCC4eZ0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=hTLqZRPm/iJ+r1+sq8+fvg+i7vTaEuFkfzSZsEK115wXFpZ+qfLuiGlM8T6i+9UG8m 7B6pD7wGVEcVnVgpQEc3Iu02hCNahl2hAsC+OtY8czVozuViHv9sxJW9zGiy3jWcE5eE /nUXKipsXbevsQ4f0H6T9rj1mcDVgCClrGGX8= Received: by 10.101.3.31 with SMTP id f31mr89165ani.21.1287727243562; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 23:00:43 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.100.102.9 with SMTP id z9ls5436anb.3.p; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 23:00:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.206.10 with SMTP id d10mr1067487ang.21.1287727242961; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 23:00:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.206.10 with SMTP id d10mr1067486ang.21.1287727242867; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 23:00:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-f48.google.com (mail-yw0-f48.google.com [209.85.213.48]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id u69si946378yhc.12.2010.10.21.23.00.41; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 23:00:41 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.48 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.213.48; Received: by mail-yw0-f48.google.com with SMTP id 2so421632ywt.21 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 23:00:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.226.8 with SMTP id iu8mr1511642icb.339.1287727241703; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 23:00:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.199.144 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 23:00:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <0ca250ab-7215-4e21-8e3d-e5a9ee461c68@b9g2000prc.googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 00:00:41 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: lo preti be lo fu'ivla From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.48 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf30549d45cf338d04932e5cc7 --20cf30549d45cf338d04932e5cc7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:45 PM, Stela Selckiku wrote: > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:33 PM, Geoffrey Stewart > wrote: > > > > That gloss was misleading > > They always are. :) > > > But if I dropped the S, wouldn't it be an invalid > > cmene, seeing how they must end in a > > consonent? Just wondering. > > It would be an invalid *cmevla*, which is a particular shape of word. > Being a name is the only thing you can use a cmevla for, but a cmevla > isn't the only thing you can use as a name. Don't worry, that's > obviously confusing, and it takes everyone a little while to get it. > :) Consider "gejyspa", who you just addressed in your email, his name > is a lujvo. Or consider my name, "stela selckiku", it's a tanru. > > The fact that a name can be a tanru, like mine, explains something > about names that aren't cmevla: Sometimes they need more termination. > For instance you can say "la .bob. klama", Bob goes, and you don't > need a terminator. (Unless we decide to merge cmevla with brivla as .xorxes. suggests.) > But you can't just say "la tirxu klama" to mean > "the one named Tiger goes" because there could be a tanru cmene "tirxu > klama"-- someone could be named Tiger Goer! So you have to say "la > tirxu ku klama" or "la tirxu cu klama". > (I've recently noticed a habit I have to dot any name, cmene or cmevla, like when I asked about your name and referred to it as .stela,selckiku. I've never really seen the point in requiring both a final consonant /and/ a stop, so I'll use that as my excuse for doing it. :) ) > I second the suggestion that you should use "djefri", that's a really > cool name. :) > > mi'e la stela selckiku mu'o > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:45 PM, Stela = Selckiku <selcki= ku@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:33 PM, Geoffrey Stewart
<geoffstewart56@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> That gloss was misleading

They always are. :)

> But if I dropped the S, wouldn't it be an invalid
> cmene, seeing how they must end in a
> consonent? Just wondering.

It would be an invalid *cmevla*, which is a particular shape of word.=
Being a name is the only thing you can use a cmevla for, but a cmevla
isn't the only thing you can use as a name. =A0Don't worry, that= 9;s
obviously confusing, and it takes everyone a little while to get it.
:) =A0Consider "gejyspa", who you just addressed in your email, h= is name
is a lujvo. =A0Or consider my name, "stela selckiku", it's a = tanru.

The fact that a name can be a tanru, like mine, explains something
about names that aren't cmevla: Sometimes they need more termination. For instance you can say "la .bob. klama", Bob goes, and you don&= #39;t
need a terminator. =A0
But you can't just say "la tirxu klama" to mean
"the one named Tiger goes" because there could be a tanru cmene &= quot;tirxu
klama"-- someone could be named Tiger Goer! =A0So you have to say &quo= t;la
tirxu ku klama" or "la tirxu cu klama".

(I've recently noticed a habit I have to dot any name, cmene or cm= evla, like when I asked about your name and referred to it as .stela,selcki= ku. I've never really seen the point in requiring both a final consonan= t /and/ a stop, so I'll use that as my excuse for doing it. :) )
=A0
I second the suggestion that you should use "djefri", that's = a really
cool name. :)

mi'e la stela selckiku mu'o



--
mu'o mi= 'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be = denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I= am your father. :D )

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