From lojban-beginners+bncCICntNPQBRCRh6XmBBoEpzhysg@googlegroups.com Thu Oct 28 02:34:30 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PBOsN-0002qh-LC; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 02:34:30 -0700 Received: by qyk1 with SMTP id 1sf1991129qyk.16 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 02:34:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:mime-version :received:received:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=JUkRz26LvoQtrARbYGLF4RdtYx4HAaEgWQ/+twcIkZY=; b=5zwK8VM8+SoCcgBBQ7F8EG3eu5pMmee0fm3Sbk1a8ke1JR/6xdsHVV9aaulX1HlDX4 crbiYobNwf4YUH58C5vUosi5BS41pAtlQeGl6tm8rKkLLSWm4WXw+Qy+LU3G0gPOZrjR B89LW/bxftS8lowJuLGxo1Q0fCRiidWv5e6Q4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references :user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=tuemsxg+2PxAwWidiEeSFq8XB+9q3nrg5tjNFCNcpuGZ2N+2pqp4zvdAnMmySp5oNS X6dt9NJGeofr+b6M5Frwfd2kP1G3Br8IxrXn6bckP1h+ZCAyvFtHyjUQiOOVU6cDVGYT MnNnS/3JNjKx4dDfl/KJ0J9xPWSsMuCRbnK8o= Received: by 10.229.115.29 with SMTP id g29mr554983qcq.20.1288258449696; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 02:34:09 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.203.2 with SMTP id fg2ls286605qab.5.p; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 02:34:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.197.197 with SMTP id el5mr155844qab.37.1288258449085; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 02:34:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by j33g2000vbb.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 02:34:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 02:34:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201010280843.15900.jezuch@interia.pl> X-IP: 166.135.215.252 References: <20101027160630.GD43996@alice.local> <2b585d63-1def-4797-8c75-453e66cac098@a37g2000yqi.googlegroups.com> <201010280843.15900.jezuch@interia.pl> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.11) Gecko/20101013 Ubuntu/10.04 (lucid) Firefox/3.6.11,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <2327e11e-c10a-42d4-9e8f-bc3841fd75d9@j33g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: mi kakne lo bajra From: Lindar To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: lindarthebard@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > I would not be surprised if hypothetical future native speakers of lojban would find this shortcut very convenient, though... Is not shortcut, is wrong. Not think is good. >_> It's not a shortcut, it's just wrong. It means "I'm capable of a runner." and that's always what it will mean. Nobody that -actually- speaks Lojban would agree with your sentiments. lo bajra will always be a runner, and lo nu bajra will always be an event of being a runner (or "running"), and the day that it stops working like that is the day that I give up on Lojban forever. It would introduce vast amounts of ambiguity to have implicit abstractors, and has always been rejected. That's called "sumti raising" and is probably worse than malgli. How would it be a shortcut, anyway? It's one phoneme. (Sorry for getting huffy. I did this when I was new as well. Just... - don't- do it. We do things the way they're done for a very good reason, and we've been doing it for at least a score longer than you. Rather than suggest we change something, learn why we do it.) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.