From lojban-beginners+bncCML0xpmUARDNwazmBBoEUANrMA@googlegroups.com Fri Oct 29 12:31:03 2010 Received: from mail-pz0-f61.google.com ([209.85.210.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PBuez-0000eo-SV; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:31:02 -0700 Received: by pzk6 with SMTP id 6sf64009pzk.16 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:30:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Mo7UUo0V1dUnX33S9jjUl23phg5N5QNOYeTpNVA+sAo=; b=qBK0MFxXKIONN0SBNoNRJoZmENwgtcPzPFA84+BdetDj3eVTBgk/3zdjgrJre9vHr+ oQXWbx3UynV84SQUho5oXu526Fbw/o8K7p2/W5yvbVOF+Rzry9Aiv4i+yP1X7Rv4R5JE wORUqEGyB+n1GUnh0Sxi+QGatj3t/hjEPWKCk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=P4Jp/WwE2YWQqGjimffdOkrqyWFkZhq6oZowohvncZWTdaU/WWF20l8eYv9Ca30rvA xF+hsmedLXABnPNAuYiL+f3HkzmooKi44wz1Otg+RHdhiJJ2TwcpOXU4NDqoViCfm1io 047ABW+ArXB/Bdf3iNT/zP/pUOZd1lwIWdHSs= Received: by 10.142.150.13 with SMTP id x13mr97290wfd.41.1288380621208; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:30:21 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.6.9 with SMTP id 9ls1922736wff.3.p; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:30:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.140.10 with SMTP id n10mr1279775wfd.72.1288380620358; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:30:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.140.10 with SMTP id n10mr1279774wfd.72.1288380620313; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:30:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pv0-f179.google.com (mail-pv0-f179.google.com [74.125.83.179]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id n6si2271747wfl.7.2010.10.29.12.30.19; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:30:19 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.179 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.83.179; Received: by pvg13 with SMTP id 13so158828pvg.10 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:30:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.231.11 with SMTP id d11mr1680235wfh.222.1288380619087; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:30:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.71.13 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:30:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20101027160630.GD43996@alice.local> <2b585d63-1def-4797-8c75-453e66cac098@a37g2000yqi.googlegroups.com> <201010280843.15900.jezuch@interia.pl> <2327e11e-c10a-42d4-9e8f-bc3841fd75d9@j33g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> <20101028171348.GB45294@alice.local> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 15:30:19 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: mi kakne lo bajra From: Ian Johnson To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.179 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd2968c22e09d0493c67dc4 --000e0cd2968c22e09d0493c67dc4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 They're not usually implicit. Most of the definitions in the gimste have things like (event/state) or (ka) or (du'u) labeled in them when it doesn't make sense for them to be something concrete. Even then, it still doesn't make sense for a {se kakne} to be concrete; how can you be capable of doing a concrete thing? mu'o mi'e latros. On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Oren wrote: > It doesn't seem right to me that there are all of these implicit types > associated with certain gismu, without my knowledge. I feel like, > especially for learners of lojban, these virtual "parts-of-speech" > should be explicitly laid out, so that people don't have to question > whether "running" is an event or an action or what have you. > > So... If anyone wants to help, I'm going to do this and integrate it > into the Chinese translation for the gismu list I'm doing. > > > https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AoZKIeNnTBe2dFAtNHNmWTlyeFR1TzIzaUZwMXNWeEE&hl=en&authkey=CNCr2d0B > > co'o mi'e korbi > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --000e0cd2968c22e09d0493c67dc4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable They're not usually implicit. Most of the definitions in the gimste hav= e things like (event/state) or (ka) or (du'u) labeled in them when it d= oesn't make sense for them to be something concrete. Even then, it stil= l doesn't make sense for a {se kakne} to be concrete; how can you be ca= pable of doing a concrete thing?

mu'o mi'e latros.

On Fri, Oct= 29, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
It doesn't seem right to me that there are all of these implicit types<= br> associated with certain gismu, without my knowledge. I feel like,
especially for learners of lojban, these virtual "parts-of-speech"= ;
should be explicitly laid out, so that people don't have to question whether "running" is an event or an action or what have you.

So... If anyone wants to help, I'm going to do this and integrate it into the Chinese translation for the gismu list I'm doing.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=3D0AoZKIeNnTBe2dFAtNHNmWTlyeFR1Tz= IzaUZwMXNWeEE&hl=3Den&authkey=3DCNCr2d0B

co'o mi'e korbi

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