From lojban-beginners+bncCJ2UzZHuDRCW_7DmBBoE6IuY_w@googlegroups.com Sat Oct 30 08:54:29 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PCDl8-0006vh-6I; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 08:54:28 -0700 Received: by wwb34 with SMTP id 34sf2345156wwb.16 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 08:54:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=6Ow0BE2pcA/hDxfcjIX7yKCm90iW7Tg5f+4q4aZRipg=; b=ehcxx2E4thCQO8Sjanzr64HcDNavIxswjGxtz9lC+D9lh7/cG/66FAZoJUWdEJJFDT NQMowOsxwchPW20IV2rbwuXs0chiIECjZozsajuxazvHrU5Xv9zlD2PDhfcVwD5CYTyB cIIrI5csrbTb2myNTODgWe7MuTv26UhMJw+ZE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=QfXPvl8tyR7GN75/bCDKSFqOyZSZk+V39woIG0wdUBVeokdwoxOAEFoYhJLSsITebr AdC9SoB7W+t59wDDJjzOgXPBwXgSNPPjosVnJBWm5wKASP2kTejO62uXm1ii6GsnBBpS +RasAcGc7nXZRDomQ4J3ngbRYstTl6hkyJMDs= Received: by 10.216.162.6 with SMTP id x6mr88357wek.0.1288454038850; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 08:53:58 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.198.213 with SMTP id ep21ls1390958wbb.2.p; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 08:53:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.46.19 with SMTP id q19mr47083web.0.1288454037396; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 08:53:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.46.19 with SMTP id q19mr47082web.0.1288454037377; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 08:53:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f54.google.com (mail-ww0-f54.google.com [74.125.82.54]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id l2si1171415weq.13.2010.10.30.08.53.56; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 08:53:56 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.54 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.54; Received: by wwb13 with SMTP id 13so2935102wwb.35 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 08:53:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.146.147 with SMTP id h19mr6306019wbv.197.1288454035966; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 08:53:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.32.140 with HTTP; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 08:53:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7e023498-58e3-4224-91cc-9fc1767ceac0@j25g2000yqa.googlegroups.com> References: <7e023498-58e3-4224-91cc-9fc1767ceac0@j25g2000yqa.googlegroups.com> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 12:53:55 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Tenses From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.54 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Calpin wrote: > > What I meant was that L4B seemed to be saying that "pu", "ca" and "ba" > and 2 sumti where x1 was an event and x2 was another event before, > simultaneously or after respectively. Where does L4B seem to say that?. >Are you saying that it instead > adds x1 to an existing bridi which would act as x2? It adds an additional (unnumbered) place to the existing places of a selbri. There are no x1 or x2 involved. > If that is the case, can they be placed anywhere in the bridi Yes. > e.g. "mi > klama le mi zdani ba mi tavla do" (apologies if this is incorrect in > some other way, hopefully it gets my thinking across)? It has to be: mi klama le mi zdani ba lo nu mi tavla do After "ba" you need a sumti. The way you had it the sumti after "ba" is "mi", and then comes a separate selbri "tavla" that has nothing to do because we already have a selbri ("klama") in our main bridi. With "ba" we are adding an unnumbered argument place to "klama". > L4B seemed to > be saying that they had to be placed at the beginning of a bridi or > right before the selbri e.g. "ba mi tavla do ku mi klama le mi > zdani" / "mi ba klama le mi zdani". Right before the selbri and without a sumti is fine. At the beginning of the bridi is also fine, but you need to follow it with a sumti, so: ba (lo (nu (mi tavla do vau) kei) ku) mi klama le mi zdani (Only one of the terminators is actually required.) You can also omit the sumti, but then you need to terminate it with "ku", so it won't grab the next sumti: (ba ku) mi klama le mi zdani "Later, I go to my house." mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.