From lojban-beginners+bncCOjSjrXVGBC6ipjlBBoErWrrsg@googlegroups.com Fri Oct 01 08:59:17 2010 Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P1i0y-0004a7-QV; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 08:59:17 -0700 Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9sf3210130gxk.16 for ; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 08:59:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=a9l/MB9/Ysga+nqvIg8s5QeMaYUQUD7GwubW+Kq9HyY=; b=x3sBkBOvJIvXAC97A22dcEnHgkr50lwWmJnWSO8zWEuPa/FLV09bh/0xYfanGGj05W 56dfejyQKPuHzQK+LHb9i0b2dSGUGe+yVVJd8v0KGT36DyLqMmy097CQ+0TwOV/HEcsd /YQyo4qlvXUDHg24SwMIsbUE7AFJkLaYKLUIU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=rJYaT1zHM20TTw/DsHiLjurn5V1VgLk8p91KrKeApHxHW7XdZCMrciibSi1tuojmU0 iylXdgLW938di1G4ZK5R2zRwasqUTCxDhXfaoN4GER4jH6q4g0HAG+O6NUGJ89uRo3bC BE8eoJ3zvkbZc5DQdHbbktBjLc5NyzSM/Pnv0= Received: by 10.90.49.7 with SMTP id w7mr344803agw.7.1285948730527; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 08:58:50 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.55.74 with SMTP id t10ls1514700ibg.3.p; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 08:58:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.79.82 with SMTP id o18mr1532915ibk.15.1285948729799; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 08:58:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.79.82 with SMTP id o18mr1532914ibk.15.1285948729768; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 08:58:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id e25si810643ibk.3.2010.10.01.08.58.48; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 08:58:48 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.182 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.182; Received: by mail-iw0-f182.google.com with SMTP id 34so4880758iwn.13 for ; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 08:58:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.174.196 with SMTP id u4mr5901031ibz.19.1285948728471; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 08:58:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.48.79 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Oct 2010 08:58:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <671C9B4A-4E53-4F59-8B06-22E74A4A7AC7@switchb.org> References: <671C9B4A-4E53-4F59-8B06-22E74A4A7AC7@switchb.org> Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 11:58:48 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] cusku/NU From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.182 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016362844d428f3c80491904544 --0016362844d428f3c80491904544 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 oops. I thought that's what {du'u} was. I thought {se du'u} was "the sentence that expresses a bridi". So I would think that {se du'u} is the actual sentence and {du'u} is the basic relationship that the {se du'u} is expressing. On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Kevin Reid wrote: > On Oct 1, 2010, at 11:24, Alex Rozenshteyn wrote: > > Is there a way to say something like "So you say that I am fat?" >> >> The problem is that cusku takes a (sedu'u/text/lu'e concept), and not a >> more general abstraction. >> > > "se du'u" is what you want, not "a more general abstraction". > > Without considering the English "So ...?" construct, this is: > > do cusku lo se du'u mi plana > > You say that I am fat > > "lo se du'u" is, in general, what you use where you could use a quotation > but are instead expressing the concept in your own words. "You" said > something whose meaning was "I am fat", but you're not saying what words > were said. > > -- > Kevin Reid > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --0016362844d428f3c80491904544 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable oops. =A0I thought that's what {du'u} was. =A0I thought {se du'= u} was "the sentence that expresses a bridi". =A0So I would think= that {se du'u} is the actual sentence and {du'u} is the basic rela= tionship that the {se du'u} is expressing.

On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Kevin Reid = <kpreid@switchb.= org> wrote:
On Oct 1, 2010, at 11:24, Alex Rozenshteyn wrote:

Is there a way to say something like "So you say that I am fat?"<= br>
The problem is that cusku takes a (sedu'u/text/lu'e concept), and n= ot a more general abstraction.

"se du'u" is what you want, not "a more general abstract= ion".

Without considering the English "So ...?" construct, this is:

=A0do =A0 cusku =A0lo se du'u =A0mi =A0 =A0plana

=A0You =A0say =A0 =A0that =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0I =A0am fat

"lo se du'u" is, in general, what you use where you could use= a quotation but are instead expressing the concept in your own words. &quo= t;You" said something whose meaning was "I am fat", but you&= #39;re not saying what words were said.

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