From lojban-beginners+bncCM64ir3sAxC3rrLlBBoENNtSCA@googlegroups.com Wed Oct 06 08:35:49 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P3W1w-00032C-OB; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 08:35:49 -0700 Received: by gya1 with SMTP id 1sf5905391gya.16 for ; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 08:35:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received:received-spf:received:x-mimeole:mime-version :subject:date:message-id:x-ms-has-attach:x-ms-tnef-correlator :thread-topic:thread-index:from:to:x-scanned-by:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-class:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=MYSPCLRVloBAowS8WV4WVRfc9gqZGWNdoX0AclYaD0c=; b=Q3E7kZpVi33HPVWszsrAaO5XsenlkHHccR/8Y0Jl5PAsmSvxtjNhr6NNbNs0RYJb02 t8mTB/rmPp2r/LU4gfOV3a2QYhUpknSQwEf48k845XvjkEIA2efbw0X2u89+wST0PrH7 Le3UyyMnfcLyHkwbXb7Z4uYc6j4bKmuuk/FB8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-mimeole:mime-version:subject:date :message-id:x-ms-has-attach:x-ms-tnef-correlator:thread-topic :thread-index:from:to:x-scanned-by:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-class:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=yIqaoYjMv/YYk1XMF9GxTxtT9tThI5ySXH+cGY/Ni+4u/og2QDN+aUDDfeZ2ehU9aC HD4gqs9oVfUsbNbHL7tt6IzPcTuTMHjFdARZq457J028KOffUgmBJjXhs88nFCG4JzVg lncD7qBBRtxbkgjnwrcE6jj4bk6lICaYOS0G4= Received: by 10.151.19.3 with SMTP id w3mr170714ybi.82.1286379319172; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 08:35:19 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.69.3 with SMTP id r3ls616676yba.3.p; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 08:35:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.92.15 with SMTP id u15mr289140ybl.41.1286379318485; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 08:35:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.37.211 with SMTP id y61mr616152wea.14.1286357762380; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 02:36:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.37.211 with SMTP id y61mr616151wea.14.1286357762354; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 02:36:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cluster-d.mailcontrol.com (cluster-d.mailcontrol.com [85.115.60.190]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id r4si222775wec.6.2010.10.06.02.36.02; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 02:36:02 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of michael.eaton@blackpool.gov.uk designates 85.115.60.190 as permitted sender) client-ip=85.115.60.190; Received: from aeacus.blackpool.gov.uk (aeacus.blackpool.gov.uk [195.188.21.21]) by rly15d.srv.mailcontrol.com (MailControl) with ESMTP id o969ZqRg008969 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 10:35:53 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: [lojban-beginners] Re: A suggestion for the Lojban names of weekdays and months. Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 10:35:52 +0100 Message-ID: <9DE5DB0988ED6C448E606734F5030D382685924C@bbcmbmx01.blackpool.gov.uk> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [lojban-beginners] Re: A suggestion for the Lojban names of weekdays and months. Thread-Index: ActlMLTIBnUQzP7RTK+w/aBbGJtiGQABqGSg From: "Michael Eaton" To: X-Scanned-By: MailControl A-06-00-00 (www.mailcontrol.com) on 10.68.0.125 X-Original-Sender: michael.eaton@blackpool.gov.uk X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of michael.eaton@blackpool.gov.uk designates 85.115.60.190 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=michael.eaton@blackpool.gov.uk Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Regardless of whether of not the use of gismu space is allowed, I don't rea= lly see any truly compelling reason why it shouldn't. The ability to accura= tely and clearly define a specific day of the week is a not entirely incons= equential function of language, and, regardless of who you are, it IS a par= t of your everyday communication. The difference between being able to say = 'tuesday', as opposed to having to say 'the day two days after the next day= ', is not one to be overlooked. As far as the existing standards for naming / numbering days go, the 'numer= ic' standard, as rightly pointed out, can cause some syntax issues, though = these are slight and not amazingly difficult to work around, while the 'con= ceptual' standard is rather un-lojban in approach, being far less intuitive= than a numbered system. As for alternatives proposed in this very thread, would you really rather u= se, for instance, a fairly wieldy lujvo for so simple a concept as days of = the week? I'm not saying that days of the week SHOULD take up gismu space, nor am I s= aying that they will, I'm merely pointing out that the alternatives come wi= th their own problems, and the use of gismu space would hardly be the trave= sty it is being made out to be. -----Original Message----- From: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com [mailto:lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of Lindar Sent: 06 October 2010 09:30 To: Lojban Beginners Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: A suggestion for the Lojban names of weekdays and months. Either way, the point still stands. xorxes' proposal is likely to continue to be ignored. Your proposal to take up eight places in gismu space for days of the week will be shot down. Unless you can format your argument entirely in very understandable Lojban, you're not going to get even one word into gismu space. It's just not going to happen. 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