From lojban-beginners+bncCJ2UzZHuDRD8mMTnBBoEQin8QA@googlegroups.com Sat Nov 27 05:50:09 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PMLAE-0002nM-Ki; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 05:50:09 -0800 Received: by wyb35 with SMTP id 35sf2228051wyb.16 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 05:50:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=7g5lVJ/LB+lFWjnqISYNQtGWk7CrGkBzJ9DqP5OgN0A=; b=bYUaIwcVNhb9ZTrDepdDqfTaAFxZfrzbY5acBpuzOvL2l1KjIByuismlJledhAv/18 VDy21+gSsSQ+7aY9UuOL6wjZ+uycgenlxg4QltqDuWaqNAZ7cUggWwJDXb7d0BGguN90 jV6F9J5taemBRubT7Lrhbe/uiuxYTUBhVNHXA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=R9AaadC3nFBROKuYD1a2HYFc3fC6LcJ+9rqcTHN4dyYaBW8tGCLimRcEW4dgotzhyQ UJ2+9LbgwZzbI2NhTsUQ1HF6SlbPPsG2srtHB/1P0w/chGan+RfABbYiwPxKRat63r+c D6xmeG1S9XwWn+QQXRiPzEoqi2NJLO0FE/JfU= Received: by 10.216.237.34 with SMTP id x34mr271515weq.25.1290865788606; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 05:49:48 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.62.75 with SMTP id x53ls1703365wec.3.p; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 05:49:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.36.21 with SMTP id v21mr192791wea.4.1290865786745; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 05:49:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.36.21 with SMTP id v21mr192790wea.4.1290865786711; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 05:49:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wy0-f171.google.com (mail-wy0-f171.google.com [74.125.82.171]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id x80si355602weq.12.2010.11.27.05.49.45; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 05:49:45 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.171 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.171; Received: by wyb38 with SMTP id 38so2786779wyb.16 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 05:49:45 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.144.65 with SMTP id y1mr3671321wbu.199.1290865784324; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 05:49:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.138.16 with HTTP; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 05:49:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <969055.49852.qm@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <11063a96-dae1-4ce7-9f82-e868fa656a2b@s9g2000vby.googlegroups.com> <969055.49852.qm@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 10:49:44 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Quick self check. From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.171 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 10:42 AM, A. PIEKARSKI wrote: > >> On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 6:09 AM, Remo Dentato wrote= : >> > >> > (Also, try this: http://say.expressivo.com/ewa/ma_tavla_do_ma_ma?) >> >> http://say.expressivo.com/ewa/.o'i_mu_hagrzi_sofybakni_szu_zvati_le_purd= i >> >> Using "sz" for "c" and "h" for "x" is not a problem, because "sz" and >> "h" don't occur in Lojban. >> >> The only problem is "rz". I don't know how to get her to say "girzu". >> Any ideas from our Polish speakers? > > In Polish, as two separate words: 'gir'=C2=A0 'zu'.=C2=A0 Otherwise, the = dipthong is > pronounced as a hard 'sz'. ("digraph", not "diphthong".) The problem is that writing it as two words will break the stress pattern, which the Polish voices do perfectly for Lojban. After some experimenting, I think the best is to write it "girtzu". The diphthongs are also not a problem, although typing "=C5=82" can be something of a pain without a Polish keyboard: http://say.expressivo.com/ewa/aj,_ej,_oj,_a=C5=82,_ja,_je,_ji,_jo,_ju,_=C5= =82a,_=C5=82e,_=C5=82i,_=C5=82o,_=C5=82u,_girtzu http://say.expressivo.com/jacek/aj,_ej,_oj,_a=C5=82,_ja,_je,_ji,_jo,_ju,_= =C5=82a,_=C5=82e,_=C5=82i,_=C5=82o,_=C5=82u,_girtzu mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.