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From: Remo Dentato To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rdentato@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rdentato@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 4:42 AM, Oren wrote: > Submitting this to tatoeba, please correct as necessary! > > "Water freezes at zero degrees Celsius, doesn't it?" > { lo djacu ku dunja lo jacke'o be li no .i xu na go'i } To me the "doesn't it?" part is only due to the way English is structured so I would consider {xu na go'i} slightly malglico. Actually I thought that when in English one adds "doesn't it?", "isn't it", "right?", etc. most of the times is a rethorical question. > In general, what other ways are there to 'lojbanically' say: > "bla bla bla bla, right?" I support the {vau} suggestion that also would allow us to easily distinguish between real and rethorical questions: { lo djacu ku dunja lo jacke'o be li no vau xu } { lo djacu ku dunja lo jacke'o be li no vau paunai } (rethorical question) { xu lo djacu ku dunja lo jacke'o be li no } The first one would be a real question that also conveys a sort of doubt: I think I know the answer but I ask to be sure. The second one is a rethorical question. The third is a direct question. Well, actually the third and the first are very similar, but, after all, they are both real questions, it's just a matter of style that we want to suggest a different "emphasis" by placing the "xu" at the end. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.