From lojban-beginners+bncCJ2UzZHuDRDYjcvmBBoEXmFidQ@googlegroups.com Thu Nov 04 07:45:04 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PE13j-0005kZ-Tn; Thu, 04 Nov 2010 07:45:03 -0700 Received: by wwb34 with SMTP id 34sf1198526wwb.16 for ; Thu, 04 Nov 2010 07:44:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=04QCGqn3B+zNJLN76lxJ7VPQWJzaJ69mC6a6y/LTfEo=; b=yM1H/8ZawdSOzFWv5PGqFIdOo7+c+jLVxKYfjYbJ3NSoB3RmgqRlJS9az0R94oifuy dKZtbLeYTP50YMotoFseDvJSoHNPly3k8PjJ/0J1pJAVn+2NqW0Wvg6LawCaASyckbkm AWAHaWcpsyWW3K1Y4GPPoeDSLGdyFxxc5DFkg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=48H+2Q2UOq9I08oYuQ2jR3je2T3Vp2udnZBYewJ3IqucnOGEiFdc1Jg8Dgktq4qSnv zugOw/f1eBxiwNl9K0nL4lRTD3LbhgHA0BRIoc35/4GX7oOLtZnrlO9/iLix+Ybkht1c U3YUAsoBS0JQEx3l+umRP2Yyd+R/xw9PdIoSo= Received: by 10.216.4.72 with SMTP id 50mr95673wei.1.1288881880638; Thu, 04 Nov 2010 07:44:40 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.3.19 with SMTP id 19ls744805wbl.3.p; Thu, 04 Nov 2010 07:44:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.152.148 with SMTP id g20mr28474wbw.12.1288881879354; Thu, 04 Nov 2010 07:44:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.152.148 with SMTP id g20mr28473wbw.12.1288881879265; Thu, 04 Nov 2010 07:44:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f177.google.com (mail-wy0-f177.google.com [74.125.82.177]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id q27si3809863wbv.1.2010.11.04.07.44.38; Thu, 04 Nov 2010 07:44:38 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.177 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.177; Received: by mail-wy0-f177.google.com with SMTP id 22so1955009wyf.36 for ; Thu, 04 Nov 2010 07:44:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.146.147 with SMTP id h19mr811026wbv.197.1288881877799; Thu, 04 Nov 2010 07:44:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.32.140 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Nov 2010 07:44:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201011040915.58520.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <201011032148.03841.phma@phma.optus.nu> <201011040915.58520.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 11:44:37 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] My five tatoeba translations: feedback? From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.177 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Thursday 04 November 2010 08:52:27 Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: >> >> =A0 =A0.ei mi penmi da ti'u li pabi >> =A0 =A0.i ku'i mi tolcliva ti'u li pasopi'eji'icino > > "ei mi penmi da" wasn't true. The meeting was scheduled from 18 to 22 so = that > people going there from work could get there late. So it sounds like it was more of a nu jmaji than a nu penmi. mi'a jmaji ti'u li pabi bi'i li rere .i mi tolcliva ti'u li pasopi'eji'icino >> The only problem with "ca li ..." is that in some cases it may not be >> clear if you are giving a time or a date. > > I normally say a date as "le moi be le ". If the date is s= aid > in numbers and includes the year, the only time it can be mistaken for a = time > is before the year 24, which can be remedied by saying "nono" at the > beginning of the year. If it's just month and day, all valid dates are al= so > valid times. So for you "ca li pabi" is always at 18 hours and never on day 18, but I don't know if you can expect everyone to follow that convention. > Another option is to use the 12-hour clock: "li pe lo > cerni/donri/vanci/nicte". Yes, that's one way to disambiguate, even with the 24-hour clock. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.