From lojban-beginners+bncCOib25n_BhD6p_vmBBoEFpGEWg@googlegroups.com Sat Nov 13 10:08:18 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PHKWK-0001ou-BA; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 10:08:18 -0800 Received: by wyb38 with SMTP id 38sf2892935wyb.16 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 10:08:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=H2KwOO67ul0CHm6/zKYUm1DsO9eC/8A0dC59TnZOhQg=; b=t20VPT5oX/aVo8Gy+Nf2O2+T4eP+hw4QB4Vi4ai45Yu04my2KlieqLHmEIOWnogldf B+rqaTSJGygKMwD1oDWLwVXBnhmYoaX9wc3ZReWUxkSVzxCcUEroBHlPXHrYpFZzFzw3 WB5/NQd5IcUemp0OYX5xvtiJD9wihGz3irW5E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=PGQCZGDbzN8/rrzt1ESqcLEyT9Npv1rHS0YiE/wiNt8fA2BwLIuVayFfT6+xZuS+lY 68PQ6XkMkArNvCe1F9KeRZLMi7tOnTfPA+5meI4IAlFf763wWo/BbaLyGmu8YJYq/NOD eBV8YzWZTszn8pKzjQF4lvN9vgWH0DbeFQCkU= Received: by 10.217.4.79 with SMTP id t57mr595797wes.27.1289671674823; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 10:07:54 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.10.153 with SMTP id 25ls742749eev.3.p; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 10:07:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.14.37.132 with SMTP id y4mr518872eea.20.1289671673408; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 10:07:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.14.37.132 with SMTP id y4mr518871eea.20.1289671673385; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 10:07:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ey0-f172.google.com (mail-ey0-f172.google.com [209.85.215.172]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id t6si1493025eeh.4.2010.11.13.10.07.52; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 10:07:52 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.172 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.172; Received: by eyd10 with SMTP id 10so2400749eyd.17 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 10:07:52 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.112.131 with SMTP id w3mr3306667ebp.68.1289671672245; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 10:07:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.34.200 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 10:07:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <04b2e946-caa2-4de6-b6b9-489f6e61fb7d@z17g2000prz.googlegroups.com> References: <04b2e946-caa2-4de6-b6b9-489f6e61fb7d@z17g2000prz.googlegroups.com> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 13:07:52 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Jargon and Abbreviations From: Alex Rozenshteyn To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174bf1eee6acc90494f3154d --0015174bf1eee6acc90494f3154d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 {.i .uicai .ua ki'e} Are there rules/guidelines for making legal (i.e. non-clashing) zi'evla? What stops {sorpece} from being read as {sorpe ce}? Stress? {sorPEce} vs {SORpe ce}? If I use the phrase {bacru fatci} (which I just kinda picked arbitrarily from a gismu list, I think meaning something like "spoken truth") frequently in some context, can I also abbreviate it {byfy}? On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Lindar wrote: > > As for abbreviations, I meant things like Americans shortening > "television" > > to "TV" or Francophones shortening "sympatique" to "sympa", and I was > also > > thinking about acronyms a bit, e.g. MADD (mothers against drunk driving). > > > > I'd assume that lojban would forbid both types. > > Quite the contrary. For example, we refer to the baupla fuzykamni as > byfy. Also, fu'ivla don't necessarily have to be borrowed from a > language. zi'evla are fu'ivla from our own language (lojban), or > completely new words as the case may be. They aren't used a lot, but > there exist fu'ivla/zi'evla of longer lujvo. 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Are there rules/guidelines for making legal= (i.e. non-clashing) zi'evla?
What stops {sorpece} from being read a= s {sorpe ce}?=A0 Stress? {sorPEce} vs {SORpe ce}?

If I use the phras= e {bacru fatci} (which I just kinda picked arbitrarily from a gismu list, I= think meaning something like "spoken truth") frequently in some = context, can I also abbreviate it {byfy}?

On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Lindar <lindarthebard= @yahoo.com> wrote:
> As for abbreviations, I meant things like Americans = shortening "television"
> to "TV" or Francophones shortening "sympatique" to= "sympa", and I was also
> thinking about acronyms a bit, e.g. MADD (mothers against drunk drivin= g).
>
> I'd assume that lojban would forbid both types.

Quite the contrary. For example, we refer to the baupla fuzykamni as<= br> byfy. Also, fu'ivla don't necessarily have to be borrowed from a language. zi'evla are fu'ivla from our own language (lojban), or completely new words as the case may be. They aren't used a lot, but there exist fu'ivla/zi'evla of longer lujvo. For example, one might=
shorten {sorprekarce} (bus) to {sorpece} or some such thing.

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