From lojban-beginners+bncCNTPpI2KGxC61prnBBoEQOm9LA@googlegroups.com Fri Nov 19 08:52:32 2010 Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PJUCJ-0004yy-IX; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 08:52:32 -0800 Received: by pwi2 with SMTP id 2sf375420pwi.16 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 08:52:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=tlVMOb+rFxAFGu5AbUurYO5rr7pr/LiT8DvPPUwqWk4=; b=KCg1powEQLy5pXy2MizoodVUYB23GoJl0BfmJtEtStpwpo4jAbAhM1p5YMsKcpqoEb e80+oMpo+rtm/X14ACX4418k6cH2fD85qVxobFq27g8hivEZatMTwpgeXsddHrRc1dWS rnbsKcBpXaCYc0Fs1pV/O2DE966VEVCkU3ALE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=JWPnmxkD6Lxh0tac8gWz+378FmODzxJFYKC/deS6H6j3lbH3zvJ7/rKhMeOf474Pmt 5jkWCCXloBjPSh0toIhE/eAYT7OXrQ21vnnPhWrEyhg5UX4q1BM7p9cOz9bWGqCvQzgV AbsI7+X/wr7ySQGM71cWHJg4so9Yknf5nZPiM= Received: by 10.143.153.7 with SMTP id f7mr117638wfo.20.1290185531004; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 08:52:11 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.78.15 with SMTP id a15ls4430075wfb.2.p; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 08:52:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.136.9 with SMTP id j9mr1329598wfd.38.1290185530067; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 08:52:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.136.9 with SMTP id j9mr1329597wfd.38.1290185530046; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 08:52:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id f13si2617828wfo.4.2010.11.19.08.52.09; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 08:52:09 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.120; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=pepdxKapwHuwCZNFD5uob2wvham6E+RljB0uXw08FdQ= c=1 sm=0 a=razOuhFCK4sA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=0m3q6l5NKkx7O7dg6ZkA:9 a=xBN2gKBd3vNRoqJE9H9VxyT5RgYA:4 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:40197] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 94/03-19545-83BA6EC4; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 16:52:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0A66B9C5 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 11:42:29 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: "He was made much of at school." Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 11:42:26 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201011191142.28249.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Friday 19 November 2010 11:33:13 Luke Bergen wrote: > see herein lies the confusion (for me anyway). I could use a similar > argument about lo barda gerku. {barda} has an x3 place for the "norm" > compared against which the object is big. {gerku} has no place to denote > size, so maybe it should be {lo gerku barda}? I'm reductio ad absurdam-ing > here so don't take this as a proposal that "the big dog" should be > translated "lo gerku barda". I'm just trying to get my finger on the > precise way of deciding what the "principle" component of a tanru *should* > be. "ti barda fi lo ka gerku" doesn't necessarily imply "ti gerku" (it may be a doghouse, or an animal which is being compared to dog sizes). "ti traji lo ka barda" does imply "ti barda" (unless x3 is negative, of course). Pierre -- lo ponse be lo mruli po'o cu ga'ezga roda lo ka dinko -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. 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