From lojban-beginners+bncCNTPpI2KGxCQ7MroBBoEDZmmaQ@googlegroups.com Wed Dec 22 18:38:30 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PVb4U-0005HD-6R; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 18:38:30 -0800 Received: by qyk1 with SMTP id 1sf11223054qyk.16 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 18:38:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=EBwDvenMAz7Sfx4Nfb3UvNs4OQnqBzBMTGUmk/eGvOM=; b=SkL/kXTUNY/zVAWBcgEq3jjgb61CEL3qXYQGwk9G7Nmo88i7de7j0g3QxG9zNZ08zw Rse15AEYhWzW8e+5wB6wkj46/Vpj/MaRlVtJucTK4chd3UhCV4N8xo3tuGtnhsNeHGYO Nq9CroS7BtHWRp5EhTmKitdueYchjDRNg0g48= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=iut8xsoAJ0tts6iv0V+RjSX2rfXGgdp+UI6WYqcZOD6s1o1DV6A84aGEdZCY6mXhcu ToDiyYVxk27+bdoBx2AxE4ge3pG2FD/d5ITWpWGMhi5sdQjISXWRSOuyZeX/NeQvWmG3 5q/3uKLqoPgpXNa7dnlAtsSVYsI7qXctS1qpw= Received: by 10.229.219.81 with SMTP id ht17mr9169qcb.15.1293071888331; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 18:38:08 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.195.134 with SMTP id ec6ls2683632qcb.2.p; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 18:38:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.213.75 with SMTP id gv11mr595204qcb.26.1293071887633; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 18:38:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.213.75 with SMTP id gv11mr595203qcb.26.1293071887618; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 18:38:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id l11si1354788qcg.0.2010.12.22.18.38.07; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 18:38:07 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.123; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=3jtQBdTzPyV+fq4oCU/u8ZPrJJGN11HvhaDVxyWhycI= c=1 sm=0 a=diTwqy8JKB4A:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=T0i8kt6CfxmyEShFPlMA:9 a=3wFzUTxsjSrbrjYrC08A:7 a=5vaX9g2VfI-KeisK2Do6bSsFtnAA:4 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:40400] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id DD/03-02631-E06B21D4; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 02:38:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00F0F13FE8 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 21:38:05 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] taxonomic .a descriptive Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 21:38:00 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201012222138.03564.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Wednesday 22 December 2010 20:10:17 Jonathan Jones wrote: > I have recently been thinking about a subject about which, in the past, I > have been very vocal about, that being Lojban names for various species. At > this time, there are basically two ways we do things, which I refer to as > taxonomic, i.e. basing the lojban name upon the Linnaean (did I spell that > right?) name, such as {bramlatu la.*acinonyx.jubatus.*} (big-cat of species > *Acinonyx jubatus)*, and descriptive, i.e. basing the name on it's > distinguishing characteristics, such as {bramlatu la traji sutra} > (basically - big-cat of species "The Fastest"), both of which are what we > call, in English, the Cheetah. There is a third way, which is to make a fu'ivla from some natlang (or two, in the case of "makpapi"). Many common names in natlangs (especially Romance languages) are related to the Linnaean name, in which case two approaches may result in the same Lojban word. E.g. "cipnrfalko" and "falkoni" could be from the genus name "Falco" or from any of several natlang descendants of the Latin word. > So, the poll is, what is your personal preference for species' names, and > why? Do you prefer taxonomic, descriptive, neither both, either depending > on circumstances, etc. etc., and what are your reasons? All three, including having all of them for some living things, such as "arxokuna" (from some rindo bangu), "prokiono", and "lumge'u" (although it's not in the dog family, nor in the bear family, despite the similar German word). > Please do not be afraid to speak up, because the point of this is to get a > reading of the community. I am very curious, and the more of you who answer > - and the more detailed your answer is - the happier I will be, even if the > majority opinion is decidedly opposite of my own (, which is part of the > reason why I have been careful to avoid expressing mine in this message.) > > Also, I would love to see other examples of Lojban names for things, such > as, if anyone has another idea for what to call a Cheetah, or a Red-tailed > Hawk (which is actually a buzzard, I recently learned), or any other > creature. I call it "ja'urtirxu", as it is a big cat with markings with something different about its claws (though they are not immobile, despite the genus name). Don't know about the red-tailed hawk. Pierre -- Jews use a lunisolar calendar; Muslims use a solely lunar calendar. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.