From lojban-beginners+bncCIycn8S8DhCgz87oBBoEZWSwzQ@googlegroups.com Thu Dec 23 11:49:06 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PVr9q-0003II-Sw; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 11:49:06 -0800 Received: by qyk1 with SMTP id 1sf12410291qyk.16 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 11:48:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=crq9gKMAqrGhcgA9voMvGNrK39bEwFwHwInRj5+X0IA=; b=Z84C2sI0/Z/HLNSjmG79LacCaYbjGQ5OAO4cmYY9Zd95lnUxDHES2bswdKH9Erwzi6 D+3U7KyR1miJvKA+jkezg7tOH5AAPEWuuFceqb+kD2+B2CWwqLgNVHNaD2h+2ozm0XGS VN3o9YQOX7LSzlmpyJjWR/WwHp20NXKW+IIvk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=jRbUiimeS9fjjhuesbohFJuGC/wBY5cqv5vXKcvHFTLW6/124l8zb3T9n0slfzldQH 5/oiLu02pRmONBGG/gkGurs5OYUewdBc1CHYbV8bI2R5+9mjUDAAo4r9yaSwKMxO0OAK Xdj5mxSCM1Vdg4kOUzj9AvdiCKXweRpTqImQs= Received: by 10.229.137.138 with SMTP id w10mr1011760qct.10.1293133728716; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 11:48:48 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.80.196 with SMTP id u4ls2899355qck.0.p; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 11:48:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.69.22 with SMTP id x22mr987383qci.13.1293133728052; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 11:48:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.69.22 with SMTP id x22mr987382qci.13.1293133727992; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 11:48:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id t28si1520188qcs.4.2010.12.23.11.48.46; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 11:48:46 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.54 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.54; Received: by qwj9 with SMTP id 9so6635145qwj.27 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 11:48:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.186.75 with SMTP id cr11mr7564984qcb.113.1293133726101; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 11:48:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.212.1 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 11:48:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 14:48:46 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Questions about imperatives From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.54 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Alex Rozenshteyn wr= ote: > What is the lojban word for "imperative"?=A0 http://vlasisku.lojban.org/ > redirects a search for "imperative" to {ko}. As a linguistic concept? I'd probably say "midbri" > How would one say something like "Let's go." in lojban.=A0 i.e. an impera= tive > directed at a group of which the speaker is a part.=A0 Would it just be {= ko > klama}? You can say "doi ma'a ko klama" ("Hey us, go!"). By addressing yourself as the argument of "doi", you include yourself in the definition of do and ko. > (only loosely related to imperatives, but it's in the same train of thoug= ht > for me)=A0 How does one say something like "Long live the king.", which I > think of (with my non linguistically-trained mind) as an imperative direc= ted > at the universe, synonymous with "May the king live long." > You're really expressing a hope, I'd say. "a'o lo nolraitru ze'u jmive" --gejyspa --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.