From lojban-beginners+bncCIycn8S8DhC2787oBBoEWFdz1Q@googlegroups.com Thu Dec 23 12:57:47 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PVsEG-0004nd-LF; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 12:57:46 -0800 Received: by vws1 with SMTP id 1sf3130628vws.16 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 12:57:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=GG846gL48V0opKnSv0pcD5z/N5kK2b9D9jmEppHuVq4=; b=KIyIhNfsA/AlKOi8rYYNmEovMdJDdd4VEyXqSW5ayNQ0O8Qtyr9xR6REhMAQbE+V49 cXBjXRH63jp1aQ5lu1RcTc8DGjx0yC2llSR2TGwnnrTC+V4qdTMZ/koVk/yfun/TPTd/ nP0JAu7NlLi8VEPIk18uPx9zDNm+y8OmuMMKw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=MGbW3mvyZgGxUuzVjQoR6Xi+77Irvhjd6MRsAg8j7wVycOVDim/1RAk6sR0/rGbk0m XxzrOIn62abDVlwtOdgf2r1VWjiO5vnK1bvJU06+dS/OQtKaYyeJJJLjhwOfBp1rVMIY XhdKzgma9Bgi3LAs3MRIhpG2V43mutSEUaqCg= Received: by 10.220.177.197 with SMTP id bj5mr311921vcb.26.1293137846179; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 12:57:26 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.76.197 with SMTP id d5ls965283vck.1.p; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 12:57:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.164.205 with SMTP id f13mr3362034vcy.4.1293137844875; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 12:57:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.164.205 with SMTP id f13mr3362033vcy.4.1293137844849; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 12:57:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qw0-f50.google.com (mail-qw0-f50.google.com [209.85.216.50]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id m31si533858vcr.9.2010.12.23.12.57.23; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 12:57:23 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.50 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.50; Received: by qwd6 with SMTP id 6so6792247qwd.37 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 12:57:23 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.183.147 with SMTP id cg19mr7722547qcb.37.1293137843594; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 12:57:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.212.1 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 12:57:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 15:57:23 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Knitting From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.50 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am not a knitter (or is that I am knot a nitter?), but I shall try to address your questions. On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Alex Rozenshteyn wr= ote: > Sorry for the multiple emails in a short span of time, but when I have > lojban questions, they tend to come in bursts. > > {nivji} is the word for the act of knitting; e.g. {mi mo'u nivji lo > nivycreka} for "I finished knitting a sweater." (or will finish, or once > long ago finished, etc.) > > But what word describes a knitting needle?=A0 Is it a {nivji jesni}?=A0 I= n > Russian, there is a unique root for "knitting needle" that has nothing to= do > with "needle" (although crocheting is "knitting with a hook")? > If you don't want to use nivji jesni (nivjesni), I don't think anyone would have a hard time understanding nivji tutci (nivytci) or even nivji grana (nivga'a) > How should "Right side" and "Wrong side" be described?=A0 Right side refe= rs to > the side of the material that is intended to be seen when the {selnivji} = is > complete.=A0 Wrong side refers to the side which is not intended to be se= en. > Double-knitted projects [can be said to] have two right sides and no wron= g > side. selvi'a sefta and tolselvi'a sefta, it would seem to me. > What words are used to mean "knit" and "purl" in the sense of the two > stitches?=A0 In Russian they're called (loosely translated, of course) "f= ace > side thingy" and "wrong side thingy" > Here my ignorance of knitting will fail me, but what do you thing of cranivji and rixnivji? > What word should be used to describe the little loops that form over a > needle?=A0 In English they're also called stitches (and so are the > arrangements of knit/purl that form patterns, with such names as > stockinette, garter, ribbing, seed/moss; granted, Russian only has a name > for "ribbing"), but in Russian they're called loops. clupa seems fine. --gejyspa --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. 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