From lojban-beginners+bncCMqBsa7nERCu-PToBBoE3hyKuA@googlegroups.com Thu Dec 30 18:13:19 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PYUUW-0004Sd-Oa; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:13:19 -0800 Received: by gwj17 with SMTP id 17sf11403970gwj.16 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:13:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=RYf8T/CxWgMwiY2mN9TqAGo+TVWN3cquYNbXl38+tPA=; b=cVfb5zpfJG/oy1UD8rSTnT2Xv+buNEpzK2sd2ZZfiDbPuqsYISjkq5LKYRHN2co0D9 hTEIUx9J51O5EpOJNPtuPksfdWLF5YyO0Q94Mcfaoo+Yfn6MgtUweXPPuR8onpKWG+3x RBrdeC11Mt9Gb6MPkASrw6ScF/oVrxH/hQoWw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=uF+YM3rDmYmRwjxXAfscI+MAl42D0LnlQBAttYT5+pV1kgZYm/eRzsZaY+hhVXz3cu nYmeO/tAvQRWwnt1nPOOlPyKAf/4RilpKd6Yv/a1QVChysBZEHRTFaz2Nt+HUgafN58w pdRzMsiaGh2hz9Ed2X6H8+GMXnkJpeyEkGTeA= Received: by 10.147.170.4 with SMTP id x4mr1144263yao.15.1293761582900; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:13:02 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.78.146 with SMTP id l18ls8896137ibk.1.p; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:13:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.206.17 with SMTP id fs17mr6062606ibb.8.1293761581590; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:13:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.206.17 with SMTP id fs17mr6062605ibb.8.1293761581562; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:13:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id d9si3594668ibq.3.2010.12.30.18.13.00; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:13:00 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of oges007@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.182 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.182; Received: by iyb26 with SMTP id 26so11952638iyb.41 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:13:00 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.36.5 with SMTP id r5mr16934660ibd.134.1293761580390; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:13:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.153.199 with HTTP; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:13:00 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 13:13:00 +1100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] jufra zoi .gy. meta .gy. From: Ross Ogilvie To: lojban-beginners X-Original-Sender: oges007@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of oges007@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.182 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=oges007@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00248c6a57266c5b7e0498ab579c --00248c6a57266c5b7e0498ab579c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I think a tanru could work in many cases. Indeed "A meta-x1 is an x1 of-type x1." looks very much like the definition of a tanru. eg meta-mathematics = a maths about maths = cmaci cmaci = cmaci be lo cmaci meta-question = a question type of question = preti preti = preti be lo preti mu'o mi'e ros. On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Alex Rozenshteyn wrote: > In English, a meta-question is a question about questions. > A meta-puzzle is a puzzle using puzzles as clues. > A meta-x1 is an x1 of-type x1. > > Is there a way of expressing such a concept in lojban? It seems that a > tanru is insufficient. > > -- > Alex R > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --00248c6a57266c5b7e0498ab579c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think a tanru could work in many cases. Indeed "A meta-x1 is an x1 o= f-type x1." looks very much like the definition of a tanru.

eg = meta-mathematics =3D a maths about maths =3D cmaci cmaci =3D cmaci be lo cm= aci
meta-question =3D a question type of question =3D preti preti =3D preti be = lo preti

mu'o mi'e ros.

On= Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Alex Rozenshteyn <rpglover64@gmail.com> wro= te:
In English, a met= a-question is a question about questions.
A meta-puzzle is a puzzle usin= g puzzles as clues.
A meta-x1 is an x1 of-type x1.

Is there a way of expressing such a c= oncept in lojban?=A0 It seems that a tanru is insufficient.

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