From lojban-beginners+bncCOib25n_BhCOktzpBBoEYLRKwg@googlegroups.com Wed Jan 19 08:00:04 2011 Received: from mail-yi0-f56.google.com ([209.85.218.56]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PfaRz-0005yU-7P; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 08:00:03 -0800 Received: by yie21 with SMTP id 21sf686149yie.1 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 07:59:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=MAh988ytQdMPRPHlbJ4x9peVy3wO1fU7m9E2SlDLEcw=; b=K2C1InrFwrnQy+CBVKKxsY0oiGzekntxZZNjqjYQWcJ1tfAnhU8+j52NRLg7N2/g/Z OygLda/PPFNRTpyNXzFOK4ZQvblbi4DejjNWacCFyJqlEOCliT5w5FQuv/plskAOwGF/ FtkwTahl1gMadGir4MHJKfu48lniWbzOtWKkQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from :to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=DnUJNlDW/1KCZz8GIOnZzpHY0/VSvhEGq5g917eHsnQoBZN7dKvO5Fz2q3dQU2fn59 wdsL9Vbp+kyDwzfQrQ/Kr1EFZEp3lNcLQhpZMlslchkBZ920tijZK7qUVfnkOQZaO5pM 1/9rtD75TLLrjy1RC2SQ2C6gcbxYU8pTwHaN0= Received: by 10.147.82.10 with SMTP id j10mr74909yal.20.1295452430608; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 07:53:50 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.76.165 with SMTP id c37ls241189ibk.3.p; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 07:53:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.172.146 with SMTP id l18mr392583ibz.2.1295452429737; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 07:53:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.172.146 with SMTP id l18mr392582ibz.2.1295452429719; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 07:53:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m30si1746250ibu.6.2011.01.19.07.53.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 19 Jan 2011 07:53:48 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.182 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.182; Received: by iyb26 with SMTP id 26so928311iyb.27 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 07:53:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.166.200 with SMTP id p8mr1064397icy.87.1295452428477; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 07:53:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.172.67 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 07:53:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 10:53:48 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban-beginners] lo se valsi be zo zi'o cu frica lo se valsi be lu noda li'u ma From: Alex Rozenshteyn To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.182 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e8aded2a3c2049a35053d --90e6ba6e8aded2a3c2049a35053d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Was my subject line clear and correct, and could it be more succinct? I feel like I'm missing some subtlety in the difference between the use of {zi'o} and the use of {noda}. If I say {noda klama} I'm saying that there does not exist anyone that goes (in the obvious from context manner). If I say {zi'o klama}, am I talking about a type of going which does not involve a goer (I acknowledge that this is slightly nonsensical; I'm just trying to understand). -- Alex R -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --90e6ba6e8aded2a3c2049a35053d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Was my subject line clear and correct, and could it be more succinct?
I feel like I'm missing some subtlety in the difference between the u= se of {zi'o} and the use of {noda}.=A0 If I say {noda klama} I'm sa= ying that there does not exist anyone that goes (in the obvious from contex= t manner).=A0 If I say {zi'o klama}, am I talking about a type of going= which does not involve a goer (I acknowledge that this is slightly nonsens= ical; I'm just trying to understand).

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