From lojban-beginners+bncCIfx8JOUAxDzw-zpBBoENhvYKA@googlegroups.com Sat Jan 22 10:29:32 2011 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PgiDG-0001W9-5M; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 10:29:32 -0800 Received: by fxm10 with SMTP id 10sf1404964fxm.16 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 10:29:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:x-virus-scanned :message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=pj4cHBaoBU6gqRwAduXhEsRQU30IfQA7Dw0pdM3yFbE=; b=b0sceAGUx+OYCEPZhk9aowPB6duU5nPxYgBzKDzjIh/UI2saejjyrrpzzcpOoxPgko wadsOZoYPMwCgpyOkPpcXUTXtqy3edoO/xXuvkwhW6KDucMFino41M2/WmBjDoALsbGb eDGvfkac8J8NStcUeGIqv0Qz5dwnN+M9PMTe8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-virus-scanned:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=QLyVNBLMa0mNkV1TyBt9aAFNZ1WmMLxYeY7sOMCOBOeSW1WUR5JJ1SpXtxC53s4oRI ZMWktwtIYbFX4jutdYGgnAGzR43hJ8o0iaKNRCG872E8x4Y45ozQDKUniGjVLinLsr4g f62Ut5+/1CklDZVs0x7Y8AVJ470H0I3yZR6jU= Received: by 10.223.161.195 with SMTP id s3mr199111fax.26.1295720947730; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 10:29:07 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.223.160.8 with SMTP id l8ls670367fax.2.p; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 10:29:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.83.8 with SMTP id d8mr230761fal.25.1295720946788; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 10:29:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.83.8 with SMTP id d8mr230760fal.25.1295720946766; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 10:29:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.wouldyoubuythis.net (mail.wybt.net [195.191.196.3]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r13si1248336fah.15.2011.01.22.10.29.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 22 Jan 2011 10:29:06 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 195.191.196.3 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of timonator@perpetuum-immobile.de) client-ip=195.191.196.3; Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.wouldyoubuythis.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3244348DDB for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 19:28:42 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.wybt.net Received: from mail.wouldyoubuythis.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.wybt.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sajx7qAJv6sR for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 19:28:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from [141.3.212.92] (scc-wkit-clx-212-92.scc.kit.edu [141.3.212.92]) by mail.wouldyoubuythis.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8C1F348849 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 19:28:40 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D3B21E4.5050000@perpetuum-immobile.de> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 19:28:52 +0100 From: Timo Paulssen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101226 Icedove/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: [lojban-beginners] oh my god, please make it stop, it hurts so much! (was: Re: Questions on the sounds chosen for Lojban) References: <7a56acc4-c2ce-47fe-ba09-b1f6a61eb59d@c39g2000yqi.googlegroups.com> <4D39AB52.7000207@perpetuum-immobile.de> <63eeb85f-de22-4301-9edd-161e7fa817f1@o4g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: timonator@perpetuum-immobile.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 195.191.196.3 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of timonator@perpetuum-immobile.de) smtp.mail=timonator@perpetuum-immobile.de Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 01/22/2011 07:22 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > Really? I find that I pronounce bite like lojban byit. Maybe a better > example of yi in english is "site". When I say "site" out loud in english > there is absolutely no hint of the lojban "a" sound. > > I think that in general english "s[i]te" and "b[uy]" are two different and > distinct diphthongs > Please, please, please, please, please, please stop using english words to refer to pronunciation. This is the most terrible thing you (all of you!) could ever, EVER do. Please don't. Seriously. Thanks - Timo -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.