From lojban-beginners+bncCIfx8JOUAxCP4ezpBBoE6cB5xQ@googlegroups.com Sat Jan 22 11:31:54 2011 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PgjBa-0001nC-Aq; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 11:31:54 -0800 Received: by fxm10 with SMTP id 10sf1440030fxm.16 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 11:31:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:x-virus-scanned :message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Uq7FonoI+w3Yh7ffQKTGw8PFIs7gBvhh2xNFVlPpkL0=; b=E6rof9GlsvdGOblcV6R+CHpUv5aWI874TicrDl09znZPsdSwWSlNydDy21UVsnbCQT dNszXOfa9NCaAzGD5+xNu0Q/Xlis6VzFy8Ee+3vuv1Rfxr9Poq8OasC02kdHN8id0LmK XgdubdFERN7IF8al3mGgbeuarXoTJJlkZ2EsQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-virus-scanned:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=tZJg5V1OSb4CvtLd0qTfHDSWeSBNXDWnIZhonWbKMEKhSkTVLicUxwJB6AeWJb27BN XU2MAT+0k6g9V4rJx4YB0/p5bzffhL5BI1oVrZfUySG1gGSK6MPsNWAhWHCp9/U1tkDw IKS1GqBbjvcJ9dWrLK3o7jJbxYnALtVj32q24= Received: by 10.223.74.205 with SMTP id v13mr195097faj.18.1295724687717; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 11:31:27 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.223.144.87 with SMTP id y23ls677789fau.1.p; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 11:31:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.97.8 with SMTP id j8mr195034fan.5.1295724686729; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 11:31:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.97.8 with SMTP id j8mr195033fan.5.1295724686710; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 11:31:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.wouldyoubuythis.net (mail.wybt.net [195.191.196.3]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n17si1255086fam.11.2011.01.22.11.31.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 22 Jan 2011 11:31:26 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 195.191.196.3 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of timonator@perpetuum-immobile.de) client-ip=195.191.196.3; Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.wouldyoubuythis.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCBDD48DDB for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 20:31:01 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.wybt.net Received: from mail.wouldyoubuythis.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.wybt.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1khDWyfVJmsn for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 20:30:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from [141.3.212.92] (scc-wkit-clx-212-92.scc.kit.edu [141.3.212.92]) by mail.wouldyoubuythis.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5A04048849 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 20:30:57 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D3B307D.60603@perpetuum-immobile.de> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 20:31:09 +0100 From: Timo Paulssen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101226 Icedove/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] oh my god, please make it stop, it hurts so much! (was: Re: Questions on the sounds chosen for Lojban) References: In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: timonator@perpetuum-immobile.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 195.191.196.3 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of timonator@perpetuum-immobile.de) smtp.mail=timonator@perpetuum-immobile.de Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 01/22/2011 07:53 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > Why exactly is this bad, timos? The cll does it because how else can we > explain to nintadni that "o" says english "bold" not "so"? > =20 That is right, but I've been on the IRC for ages and every time a newbie comes in, we have to re-explain to them how to pronounce stuff, because in their accent o sounds like a, e sounds like i, a sounds like =F6, i sounds like y and whatnot. I do realize, that teaching this to people with IPA would be perfect, but not possible and I do have to admit, that I cannot suggest a better way, but I am completely certain, that discussing pronunciation like that will lead us nowhere at all. My mail was also pretty much a knee-jerk thing, so I apologize to anybody who might feel offended. mu'o mi'e timos --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. 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