From lojban-beginners+bncCNTPpI2KGxDik-7pBBoE0lE80Q@googlegroups.com Sat Jan 22 17:52:55 2011 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pgp8N-00048T-HK; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 17:52:55 -0800 Received: by qwd6 with SMTP id 6sf7831911qwd.16 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 17:52:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis :x-cloudmark-score:x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=CQ76ZBRAreCgfaFO8PyYTDteocMPx/fPFnl4x2Miw08=; b=RDK3t11Xz0lgr9GxhmgWXHfOsz5ibV2OKJUS9MO/NNklEr/S9uA3CTYyGL22pFEz70 u+LVXYN/oXQJWozijUHrh4Wxu05t2eMfcmSQ0EgFwMVJ7qMsZqDemJ9JpgRkXzX2CEYW Lxe8f5OQWFp6Iq+dJ9XP38Ml3Yt+UD1jt+Aj0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=pgm7kJLagW8kfgnNmB21AQYJHu487mQBX1cHC5mgQk/oqY53E0F/dPiDzQVMBw6PKF Jlko9xToaJ8BfV3cnRo9Ep4iTNAyhXivNeDYQELZ7zOADMi3oEYjXjuQXLfEa97nBDcu kmi0XJKqVU37OVg/FSMNCXc4QdVR9+L4xMLIo= Received: by 10.229.215.85 with SMTP id hd21mr301722qcb.32.1295747554150; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 17:52:34 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.80.196 with SMTP id u4ls1079597qck.0.p; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 17:52:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.95.80 with SMTP id c16mr283767qcn.5.1295747553304; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 17:52:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.95.80 with SMTP id c16mr283766qcn.5.1295747553287; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 17:52:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id p18si89281qcg.8.2011.01.22.17.52.32; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 17:52:33 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.122; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=Inhw+Jdt7z1D3BivGPfn2aw54OvUEJw5lAn/booRZkE= c=1 sm=0 a=lB0PHvjMBpAA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=Fi9EpduWw6X37-nqpKAA:9 a=eXPTxivbNr46719XSU6O0rsQz_EA:4 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:60503] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 15/4B-13137-0E98B3D4; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 01:52:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id A42BD3A74 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 20:52:31 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Questions on the sounds chosen for Lojban Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 20:52:28 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <7a56acc4-c2ce-47fe-ba09-b1f6a61eb59d@c39g2000yqi.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201101222052.29967.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Saturday 22 January 2011 13:22:32 Luke Bergen wrote: > Really? I find that I pronounce bite like lojban byit. Maybe a better > example of yi in english is "site". When I say "site" out loud in english > there is absolutely no hint of the lojban "a" sound. > > I think that in general english "s[i]te" and "b[uy]" are two different and > distinct diphthongs When I pronounce them, "site", "bite", and "buy" all have the same diphthong, except that the one in "buy" is longer, as in "side" and "bide". Pierre -- Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.