From lojban-beginners+bncCJKRpP31BRCb7PDpBBoEVq-dmQ@googlegroups.com Sun Jan 23 06:07:47 2011 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Ph0bV-0004zg-Vf; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 06:07:47 -0800 Received: by gwb20 with SMTP id 20sf2748956gwb.16 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 06:07:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip :references:user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=MJdnYBoXqY+O127CJ0piXIVUb6+GC17DfSn8A5s87g0=; b=0Gj2egrO18Upuj1zYZ2Je60Nof4/G5PZ/3sr2EuHIY/JsyW2O01sMA9LuZzeFWFmJf uytWFqklnvxPBttUFR1KvpZENuRRlOIdQ+hFWKz4Y9e+q6ZPP8/xN/HldgtAabcLuiEv qHW+76qczmQ1l6ju1+aWcnCaCkd/W7neELSp4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references :user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=B+LKhTVmaKw+bGTTI2EIdA9zYxT4En0+IVUHALqdcW7TcftXBJgtSRZ8r8qJXDXQw5 oXOo6bjnrskQBulZrGxnbFCQYYlBG3DarG+zOSt/Wa7CnUpv5KHTRqFztKNba1u+Irnb C0eGf6GyY9luxrbTsohUNlLb9Pf/6oWT4PtQU= Received: by 10.150.230.19 with SMTP id c19mr295447ybh.56.1295791643569; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 06:07:23 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.151.33.32 with SMTP id l32ls1159031ybj.2.p; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 06:07:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.189.19 with SMTP id m19mr1252540ybf.19.1295791642940; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 06:07:22 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.109.16 with SMTP id h16mr87543anc.71.1295718012819; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 09:40:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by k3g2000yqc.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 09:40:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 09:40:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <7a56acc4-c2ce-47fe-ba09-b1f6a61eb59d@c39g2000yqi.googlegroups.com> X-IP: 68.142.57.136 References: <7a56acc4-c2ce-47fe-ba09-b1f6a61eb59d@c39g2000yqi.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US) AppleWebKit/534.16 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/10.0.642.2 Safari/534.16,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Questions on the sounds chosen for Lojban From: Zifre To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: kmicklas@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I think that the sounds in Lojban were at least partly chosen based on what sounds are common in world languages (especially the ones that the gismu are derived from). "X" is a pretty common sound, wile "th" is not (and is notoriously hard for some non-native speaker to pronounce in English, e.g. the stereotypical "ze" or "de" instead of "the"). As for the vowels, I am extremely happy that Lojban uses the vowels it does! The "a" in "bat" is one of the ugliest sounds I can think of. The "i" in "bit" sounds nice to me, but I think a lot of people have a hard time telling it apart from Lojban "i". (My favorite vowel sound in any language is the Lojban "e" sound or the "e" in "bet". In general, I think Lojban is a very easy language to pronounce, at least for native English speakers, and probably other languages as well. Really the only words I have a hard time with are the ones with weird consonant clusters, like "zdani" when there is no vowel before it. (I remember "mlatu" and "xrula" being hard at one point, but the're pretty easy now.) mu'o mi'e zif On 21 ene, 01:41, Greendogo wrote: > I was wondering what criteria was chosen for the sounds used in > Lojban. > > For instance, why was the German sound used for "x" used, but the > sounds [th]ink, [th]e, b[a]t, and b[i]t were not? > > Is there any way to create the consonant "th" sounds using a method > similar to how the [j] in jump is created by writing [dj] instead (or > how [ch] is written [tc])? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.